Ryan Moats detained while family member dies

[Blue Bird]

This is why I hate cops. They play the whole "just doing my job" role while being unnecessary a-holes. Normally I don't generalize but given how much they do, I'll forgive myself this time...

“All I’m asking you is just to hurry up.”

Powell (the cop) began a lecture.

“If you want to keep this going, I’ll just put you in handcuffs,” the officer said, “and I’ll take you to jail for running a red light.”

Powell made several more points, including that the SUV was illegally parked. Moats replied “Yes sir” to each.

“Understand what I can do,” Powell concluded. “I can tow your truck. I can charge you with fleeing. I can make your night very difficult.”

“I understand,” Moats responded. “I hope you’ll be a great person and not do that.”

Hospital security guards arrived and told Powell that the Moatses’ relative really was upstairs dying.

Powell spent several minutes inside his squad car, in part to check Moats for outstanding warrants. He found none.

Another hospital staffer came out and spoke with a Plano police officer who had arrived.

“Hey, that’s the nurse,” the Plano officer told Powell. “She said that the mom’s dying right now, and she’s wanting to know if they can get him up there before she dies.”

“All right,” Powell replied. “I’m almost done.”

As Moats signed the ticket, Powell continued his lecture.

“Attitude’s everything,” he said. “All you had to do is stop, tell me what was going on. More than likely, I would have let you go.”

It had been about 13 minutes.

Story...
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html

Unedited video of the incident...
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/index.html?nvid=345818&stry

[jackacid]

Very, very sad story. I would be livid if I were him.

One time I got stopped for speeding going to the hospital because my friend had a broken arm...

I explained that to the cop -- he escorted us there (with flashing sirens) and didn't write me up. I was impressed because 9/10 times, you get some douche like the one highlighted in this story.

[SFwillis52]

See crap like this is the reason why something needs to be done about pathetic junk which is going on.

[9ertotheend]

pretty ********** sick

[VolleyNiner]

Wow, poor Moats. I would be so angry
It takes real man to not explode in a time like that

[sandiegojoe]

suspended with pay.

http://www.dallasnews.com/video/index.html?nvid=345923&stry

the police did apologize and said they were "embarrassed" by him.

[superman1]

See crap like this is the reason why something needs to be done about pathetic junk which is going on.don't worry too much over this thought that kid in Oakland helped stop four of them right away for you.:pards:

[Max_Power]

F the police.

[SBbound49ers]

Cops are a joke.

Most are losers on power trips.

[Tracker]

Cops are a joke.

Most are losers on power trips.

Not all are. It just sucks that some are like that.

[MR. WEBBER]

the one thing no one is thinking about is, had he not ran the red light, he would have made it there. but he did run it, which takes what? 1 minute and 15 seconds to turn green at the longest? then got pulled over and spent how long with the cop? the cop was doing his job. did he take it to the extreme? yes he did. but the guy did run a red light?

[4Nine4life]

suspended with pay.
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/index.html?nvid=345923&stry

the police did apologize and said they were "embarrassed" by him.

Thats a joke.
I just saw that story on ESPN. They showed the video . I really got mad for Moats after seeing it.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

"This is why I hate cops because every single cop in the U.S. was present and agreed with it."

What a retarded generalization.

[FRiSCOxBLUNTS]

"This is why I hate cops because every single cop in the U.S. was present and agreed with it."

What a retarded generalization.

Who are you quoting?

[bruin4life]

I've had bad experiences with cops too.... sometimes it was their fault and sometimes it was someone else's who lied to them. My brother's a cop and he isn't a ****head at all. But he's been through more than a lot of them have and has seen death first hand while serving as a combat medic in the Army.


Wasn't trying to get on your case, I apologize. My brother is a good cop, however there's a town just north of where I am that is plagued with corruption.


i'm calling BS i'm sure your brother is as much a douche as you are lol

[Blue Bird]

"This is why I hate cops because every single cop in the U.S. was present and agreed with it."

What a retarded generalization.
That's not a generalization you're making, it's a false statement. In either case, why are you making it?

[Brian Jennings]

This kind of stuff happens all the time. As always, the only reason there's any outrage is because he plays in the NFL.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

This is why I hate cops. They play the whole "just doing my job" role while being unnecessary a-holes. Normally I don't generalize but given how much they do, I'll forgive myself this time...



Story...
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html

Unedited video of the incident...
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/index.html?nvid=345818&stry

That's not a generalization you're making, it's a false statement. In either case, why are you making it?

So.... why did you make that comment if you don't think all cops are bad?

[Blue Bird]

So.... why did you make that comment if you don't think all cops are bad?

Already explained it. Did you read the entire first post or just the part that you wanted to? I allowed myself to make the generalization because I feel that most cops do the same about the public. Try to keep up.

[TerrellOwns]

eh im confused, anyhow this was already posted, but cops suck.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

Already explained it. Did you read the entire first post or just the part that you wanted to? I allowed myself to make the generalization because I feel that most cops do the same about the public. Try to keep up.

So you hate cops based on what you feel most of them do? Or did I read that wrong?

[Blue Bird]

So you hate cops based on what you feel most of them do? Or did I read that wrong?

For the most part, you read it right. I hate cops based on the experiences I've had where most of them have gone out of their way to remind me that they're God even when it was completely unnecessary. The rare experiences I've had with cops have followed pretty much what was reported in this story. I've begun to make assumptions about them a lot like they've made assumptions about people like me. If that's retarded, so be it.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

For the most part, you read it right. I hate cops based on the experiences I've had where most of them have gone out of their way to remind me that they're God even when it was completely unnecessary. The rare experiences I've had with cops have followed pretty much what was reported in this story. I've begun to make assumptions about them a lot like they've made assumptions about people like me. If that's retarded, so be it.

I've had bad experiences with cops too.... sometimes it was their fault and sometimes it was someone else's who lied to them. My brother's a cop and he isn't a ****head at all. But he's been through more than a lot of them have and has seen death first hand while serving as a combat medic in the Army.


Wasn't trying to get on your case, I apologize. My brother is a good cop, however there's a town just north of where I am that is plagued with corruption.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

i'm calling BS i'm sure your brother is as much a douche as you are lol

Well we both have small reproductive organs and get beat up all of the time.

[Blue Bird]

I've had bad experiences with cops too.... sometimes it was their fault and sometimes it was someone else's who lied to them. My brother's a cop and he isn't a ****head at all. But he's been through more than a lot of them have and has seen death first hand while serving as a combat medic in the Army.


Wasn't trying to get on your case, I apologize. My brother is a good cop, however there's a town just north of where I am that is plagued with corruption.

It wouldn't suprise me at all if your brother is indeed a good cop and I certainly wasn't saying that if you're a cop, you MUST be a dlckhead. I was using a bit of hyperbole. But much like every other facet of society, we're all on the hook for the lowest common denominator of our "cliques". If a cop sees a guy with a baggy t-shirt and baggy jeans hanging out at night, he's far more likely to keep an eye on him than he would if the guy was wearing a suit. Why? Because his experience has been that guys who wear baggy clothes commit more crime. My experience has been that guys with badges and guns act like it's their world and you're lucky they're lettin' you live in it.

I'm sure there are great cops out there just like there are genuinely good people that prefer to walk around in baggy clothing. But more times than not... hence the generalizations, however retarded they may be.

[Brian Jennings]

There it is. The ol' "the cop was just doing his job" line. Pulling the guy over and giving him a ticket was "doing his job". And no one - including Moats - seemed to have a problem with that. It was all that other "I can arrest you right now... and I can tow your car because it's illegally parked..." bull that is the problem. Like I said, if cops want to be respected, they need to show at least a hint of respect for humanity. Gaffling a guy up for an inordinate amount of time so that you ensure that his mother-in-law dies before he can get in there to see her says "it's all about you recognizing my authority above anything else that might be going on." That is the very definition of being a douche bag... in my opinion.Regardless of whether the cop was a **** or not, the easiest way to avoid the problem was to not break the freaking law in the first place. Most of my encounters with cops have been bad, and just about everytime I did something to deserve being pulled over. Its not about the cop doing his job, its about not giving the cop any reason to pull you over in the first place.

**** da police, but I can only be so sympathetic to someone who is dumb enough to give the cop an excuse to be a douche.

[DaHonorable49er]

Regardless of whether the cop was a **** or not, the easiest way to avoid the problem was to not break the freaking law in the first place. Most of my encounters with cops have been bad, and just about everytime I did something to deserve being pulled over. Its not about the cop doing his job, its about not giving the cop any reason to pull you over in the first place.

**** da police, but I can only be so sympathetic to someone who is dumb enough to give the cop an excuse to be a douche.
Ya know what his job would be? Writing him a citation instead of pulling out his pistol at a dam hospital. Write him a ticket going down the hall if you want instead of being a dck. What if his wife was in the car in labor? I supposed he was gonna talk to him while his wife had the baby in the car just to be a dck. I mean a man driving with caution lights drives all the way to the hospital. What do you think that's for? You don't have to grow up riding the big bus to figure this one out!

[Blue Bird]

the one thing no one is thinking about is, had he not ran the red light, he would have made it there. but he did run it, which takes what? 1 minute and 15 seconds to turn green at the longest? then got pulled over and spent how long with the cop? the cop was doing his job. did he take it to the extreme? yes he did. but the guy did run a red light?

There it is. The ol' "the cop was just doing his job" line. Pulling the guy over and giving him a ticket was "doing his job". And no one - including Moats - seemed to have a problem with that. It was all that other "I can arrest you right now... and I can tow your car because it's illegally parked..." bull that is the problem. Like I said, if cops want to be respected, they need to show at least a hint of respect for humanity. Gaffling a guy up for an inordinate amount of time so that you ensure that his mother-in-law dies before he can get in there to see her says "it's all about you recognizing my authority above anything else that might be going on." That is the very definition of being a douche bag... in my opinion.

[Brian Jennings]

Ya know what his job would be? Writing him a citation instead of pulling out his pistol at a dam hospital. Write him a ticket going down the hall if you want instead of being a dck. What if his wife was in the car in labor? I supposed he was gonna talk to him while his wife had the baby in the car just to be a dck. I mean a man driving with caution lights drives all the way to the hospital. What do you think that's for? You don't have to grow up riding the big bus to figure this one out!You know what Moats could have done? Obey the law.

[sandiegojoe]

You know what Moats could have done? Obey the law.

f- that.

he had his wife in the car with him while her mother was dying. Can you imagine if she missed those final moment cause he was sitting at a red light for two minutes in the middle of the night with no cars around anywhere?

I'd take my chances at getting pulled over. A woman would nag you about that s- for the rest of your life.

[Brian Jennings]

f- that.

he had his wife in the car with him while her mother was dying. Can you imagine if she missed those final moment cause he was sitting at a red light for two minutes in the middle of the night with no cars around anywhere?

I'd take my chances at getting pulled over. A woman would nag you about that s- for the rest of your life.Again, you take that chance, you have to accept the consequences that come with it. Didn't deserve the extra **** the cop gave him, but anyone who's ever been pulled over knows that's part of the risk that comes with being pulled over. If you willingly break the law, **** is gonna happen.

Next time you're somewhere and someone starts shooting and you see a sign that says "No Running", obey the law.
Right, because that's the same situation. Wait, its not.

[BladeX]

There are few things in the world worse than a scumbag cop on a power trip. I've been there a couple times.

[Brian Jennings]

There are few things in the world worse than a scumbag cop on a power trip. I've been there a couple times.I think anyone who has been pulled over has been there. **** da police.

[Brian Jennings]

So if somebody you knew was dying, you would take your time and stop at every red light?

What a puss
If they were dying, I'd already be there.

[DaHonorable49er]

You know what Moats could have done? Obey the law.
Next time you're somewhere and someone starts shooting and you see a sign that says "No Running", obey the law.

[Montana_Magic]

If the mother was that close to dieing, why weren't they already at the hospital?

[Kellzeatyou]

the one thing no one is thinking about is, had he not ran the red light, he would have made it there. but he did run it, which takes what? 1 minute and 15 seconds to turn green at the longest? then got pulled over and spent how long with the cop? the cop was doing his job. did he take it to the extreme? yes he did. but the guy did run a red light?

So if somebody you knew was dying, you would take your time and stop at every red light?

What a puss

[DaHonorable49er]

Again, you take that chance, you have to accept the consequences that come with it. Didn't deserve the extra **** the cop gave him, but anyone who's ever been pulled over knows that's part of the risk that comes with being pulled over. If you willingly break the law, **** is gonna happen.


Right, because that's the same situation. Wait, its not.
It's a law. Doesn't matter the situation right?

[Brian Jennings]

It's a law. Doesn't matter the situation right?No, you, *****. Its not the same situation. The fact that you cannot comprehend this shows what an imbecile you are.

[Blue Bird]

You know what Moats could have done? Obey the law.

Yeah. The guy totally brought this on himself because he was trying to be a law breaking renegade.

[BeastMark59]

what an a-hole! I know if I was the cop I would have reacted differently!

[keehner87]

Most cops I know are pretty decent but all it takes is one *******. There is a small town near where I live in Iowa so this town has two cops. One is cool. The other will give you a ticket for going 31 in a 30.

[DaHonorable49er]

No, you, *****. Its not the same situation. The fact that you cannot comprehend this shows what an imbecile you are.
Shows how immature you are. You find it hard to argue your reasoning, so you go to name calling. So Kindergartenish. Glad you didn't pick lawyer as a profession. :nonono:

[guitarspawn]

If the mother was that close to dieing, why weren't they already at the hospital?

You cant' be at the hospital 24 hours a day if you have a job, kids, or any kind of responsibilities. I had a family member die of cancer a few years ago, and regardless of how messed up the situation is, life is going on while they go through their struggle. Your job and your bills don't go on hold while you deal with this.

We knew he had a short time left, but it's not like you get an exact date and can plan your day for when they pass away. It could be a few hours or a few weeks. I tried to go there before work and after work and would then go home to get a few hours sleep before I started the whole routine again. I had just left from my morning visit and was on the way to work, when I got a call from the hospital to get there as soon as possible. I got there in time to be by his side as he passed.

And yes I broke the speed limit to get there and maybe rolled through a stop sign or two.

[guitarspawn]

When you see a cop abuse their authority, stop invoking the "blue shield" and call it out. Until you do, you're condoning their actions and justifying many people's beliefs that the police in many cases are a little more than their own deputized gang.

QFT.

I think most people don't get a negative view of cops because of some artice they read. It's because of personal experience.

[Blue Bird]

It'd be nice if the cops got in the news more for the good things they do instead of the bad but that's life. Makes my job tougher when people label you as someone who's just out to get them but I deal with it.
All due respect (and I honestly mean that sincerely) but that's a cop out (no pun intended). I don't think anyone thinks that cops don't do anything good and you could put a million stories in the news about cops saving kids and such but it won't replace the thousands of personal experiences that people have with cops in their own lives.

When I see a story like this (or any one of several others), it's easy for me to see that these are the actions of one individual on a power trip. But how coincidental is it that the ones that pull me over always seem to have the same attitude as the one in this video? At what point is it fair to say "this seems to be the general cop attitude"? Believe me, I'm dying for one of them to prove me wrong but they never do. Is it just coincidence that I never get the good ones? Maybe it's me, right? By minding my p's and q's, always having my proper documentation, and always speaking with a respectful tone, maybe I'm inviting it, right? Or maybe... maybe this is just how most cops are. Condescending and on a quest to flex their authority over people who might be more successful or well educated but don't have the legal license to harrass.

If the "good cops" want a better name, they need to stop covering for the weak links. When you see a cop abuse their authority, stop invoking the "blue shield" and call it out. Until you do, you're condoning their actions and justifying many people's beliefs that the police in many cases are little more than their own deputized gang. If good cops want to do something in the news that will really change what people think, how about the next time we see some unnecessary police brutality, get in front of the first camera you find and denounce it rather than insult our intelligence and tell us how we just don't understand the streets enough to know "excessive force" when we see it.

[Gnihsif]

It'd be nice if the cops got in the news more for the good things they do instead of the bad but that's life. Makes my job tougher when people label you as someone who's just out to get them but I deal with it.

QFT

[MR. WEBBER]

So if somebody you knew was dying, you would take your time and stop at every red light?

What a puss

she didnt all of a sudden start dying. your a ****ing tool. why werent they already at the hospital? it takes a minute and 15 seconds at the longest for a light, you really cant wait 1 ****ing minute????

so im the puss? if i was at a red light and saw you cross the street, i would run it just so i could hit you. and i would be happy with the punishment i got. or i could be like everyone else and cry about it, and claim it was the cops fault.

[MLaw99]

I've never had a bad experience with a cop, I think I'm just really lucky though, haha. The two times I've been pulled over I was given a break each time. But, I've had friends that have had some pretty bad experiences.

[VideInfra49]

she didnt all of a sudden start dying. your a ****ing tool. why werent they already at the hospital? it takes a minute and 15 seconds at the longest for a light, you really cant wait 1 ****ing minute????

so im the puss? if i was at a red light and saw you cross the street, i would run it just so i could hit you. and i would be happy with the punishment i got. or i could be like everyone else and cry about it, and claim it was the cops fault.

Wow, your ignorance is just...wow. Yes, people can "all of the sudden start dying". In fact, death itself, it's pretty sudden, there is no half-death. You can have cancer and know you're going to eventually die, maybe you know approximately how long you have, but when you die, it's sudden. You can't spend 24 hours a day at the hospital. Even if you could physically do it, the hospital wouldn't allow it anyway. And no, I can't wait 1 minute if my family member is dying. A "puss" is the wrong word for you if you can wait 1 minute, afterall when you arrive, your family member could have died 30 seconds prior. Your family must be proud that obeying a traffic light is more important to you than seeing them for the last time to say goodbye.

[MCHan]

Wow, your ignorance is just...wow. Yes, people can "all of the sudden start dying". In fact, death itself, it's pretty sudden, there is no half-death. You can have cancer and know you're going to eventually die, maybe you know approximately how long you have, but when you die, it's sudden. You can't spend 24 hours a day at the hospital. Even if you could physically do it, the hospital wouldn't allow it anyway. And no, I can't wait 1 minute if my family member is dying. A "puss" is the wrong word for you if you can wait 1 minute, afterall when you arrive, your family member could have died 30 seconds prior. Your family must be proud that obeying a traffic light is more important to you than seeing them for the last time to say goodbye.

Good response. I cannot believe what I am hearing from MrWebber. Says a lot to me about him...

[SBbound49ers]

Good response. I cannot believe what I am hearing from MrWebber. Says a lot to me about him...

Seriously.

His football posts are always spot on, but hes really embarassed himself in this thread.

[MR. WEBBER]

all im saying was if he had obeyed the law he would have made it there in time. but he broke the law. got pulled over and look what happened. yep im so stupid for posting the truth. wow.

on top of that, i was talking about her being sick for awhile, not for those 10 minutes it took them to get there. as another poster said, they knew she was sick, IF ONE OF MY RELATIVES WAS SICK I WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE, why werent they? why was it a last second thing for them? im just stating points that most of you are over looking, but i guess im a **** for it.

[SBbound49ers]

all im saying was if he had obeyed the law he would have made it there in time. but he broke the law. got pulled over and look what happened. yep im so stupid for posting the truth. wow.

on top of that, i was talking about her being sick for awhile, not for those 10 minutes it took them to get there. as another poster said, they knew she was sick, IF ONE OF MY RELATIVES WAS SICK I WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE, why werent they? why was it a last second thing for them? im just stating points that most of you are over looking, but i guess im a **** for it.

So basically, you're saying hes a "bad person" for not being there 24/7?

DO you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

[krnbanguboi]

all im saying was if he had obeyed the law he would have made it there in time. but he broke the law. got pulled over and look what happened. yep im so stupid for posting the truth. wow.

Seriously, just stop trying to prove a broken point. The law is very flexible in times of emergency and sudden death is an emergency. You can't tell me you're going to defend this cop who went on a power trip and was too ignorant to admit that he made a mistake. Ok, you posted what happened, it doesn't mean what happened was right. I could care less that he's an NFL player, if this happens to anyone I would be enraged. The fact that Moats didn't even try to use his status as an NFL player also shows he wasn't boasting that he's a minor celebrity.

[krnbanguboi]

on top of that, i was talking about her being sick for awhile, not for those 10 minutes it took them to get there. as another poster said, they knew she was sick, IF ONE OF MY RELATIVES WAS SICK I WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE, why werent they? why was it a last second thing for them? im just stating points that most of you are over looking, but i guess im a **** for it.

She had breast cancer, the doctor isn't going to tell you exactly what time and day she's going to pass away. Ryan Moats is like any human being, we won't be there the entire day for almost a month because she's about to die. It would be a good dedication, but this is too tiring for any human being.

[SBbound49ers]

MR. Chris WEBBER must be a cop.

[MR. WEBBER]

She had breast cancer, the doctor isn't going to tell you exactly what time and day she's going to pass away. Ryan Moats is like any human being, we won't be there the entire day for almost a month because she's about to die. It would be a good dedication, but this is too tiring for any human being.

so within 10 minutes she went from doing ok to dying? if she was that fatal why werent they there already? thats what im trying to get across. they should have been there already if she was that close to passing.

[MR. WEBBER]

MR. Chris WEBBER must be a cop.

its not about the cops. its about them not being there for a family member. i think they should have been there before the last few seconds.

[SBbound49ers]

its not about the cops. its about them not being there for a family member. i think they should have been there before the last few seconds.

You still dont get it.

For all you know, they were there 18/7, and went home for some sleep, when they got the call that she slipped into a "fatal stage" and was about to go, so they rushed down to get in their final moments.

At that point, the cop pulled them over. Get it now?

[SBbound49ers]

Chris Webber tore up Tyra Banks.

Good for him.

Then again......Chris Webber missing a layup on his return with Warriors ftl.

[TouchdownBuddha]

its not about the cops. its about them not being there for a family member. i think they should have been there before the last few seconds.

Mr. Webber, the way I read it they were there with her and had just finally returned home when they got the call to come back. These things are pretty unpredictable, so it's quite possible they had been there for who knows how long and she was stable so they returned home to their house for things like showers, clothes etc. Someone with terminal cancer at that stage can go from completely fine to rapidly deteriorating in a matter of minutes.

Aside from that, you don't know the story so why would you assume they weren't there for her every day for the last month etc. There isn't room for that many people to sleep at a hospital they would have to go home each night. My grandma died like that, she had lung cancer, but was doing ok and was at home, however within two hours she had gone from fine to dead at the hospital. There's no way to predict this stuff.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

Mr. Webber, the way I read it they were there with her and had just finally returned home when they got the call to come back. These things are pretty unpredictable, so it's quite possible they had been there for who knows how long and she was stable so they returned home to their house for things like showers, clothes etc. Someone with terminal cancer at that stage can go from completely fine to rapidly deteriorating in a matter of minutes.

Aside from that, you don't know the story so why would you assume they weren't there for her every day for the last month etc. There isn't room for that many people to sleep at a hospital they would have to go home each night. My grandma died like that, she had lung cancer, but was doing ok and was at home, however within two hours she had gone from fine to dead at the hospital. There's no way to predict this stuff.

You've waited all your life to say that.

[TouchdownBuddha]

You've waited all your life to say that.

Ooooh Chris Webber is so pretty :wub:

http://thestartingfive.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/nba_g_webber1_400.jpg

[Pnkpnther16]

what an a-hole! I know if I was the cop I would have reacted differently!

No you don't. With the training you'd go through you have NO idea how you would react in that situation right now. To tell the truth, the cop only did what he was trained to do because he did the right thing. Morally right? No. But its not his job to be sincere. They dont train you how to be sincere in the academy.

In a lot of cases you can blame the training, not the person in the uniform. The media is making too much of a deal out of this. This is why cops are given bad names. They only give attention to the "bad" ones. Not only is it ridiculous but it makes my future job tougher. Because the "bad" ones get the attention, uneducated morons target ALL of them.

I go to the academy soon and I wish that one day I can go into work after kissing my wife and children goodbye thinking that could be the last.

So the people who say "**** the police" or "I hate cops". Grow up.

[bruin4life]

I agree with Webber on the issue with running the redlight. If he was level headed and didn't run the redlight no story is told..however it does not excuse the officer from being an ******* and from pulling his gun...needless to say the officer has apologized, his union, and his superiors felt he over-reacted so nothing anyone says in the oposite means jack cause those involved have had their say for the most part...

[BeastMark59]

No you don't. With the training you'd go through you have NO idea how you would react in that situation right now. To tell the truth, the cop only did what he was trained to do because he did the right thing. Morally right? No. But its not his job to be sincere. They dont train you how to be sincere in the academy.

In a lot of cases you can blame the training, not the person in the uniform. The media is making too much of a deal out of this. This is why cops are given bad names. They only give attention to the "bad" ones. Not only is it ridiculous but it makes my future job tougher. Because the "bad" ones get the attention, uneducated morons target ALL of them.

I go to the academy soon and I wish that one day I can go into work after kissing my wife and children goodbye thinking that could be the last.

So the people who say "**** the police" or "I hate cops". Grow up.

First of all I never said "**** the police" or "I hate cops" And yes I know I wouldn't react like this moron did knowing the situation! My cousin is about to head out to the academy himself and I know he wont be a "bad cop". No matter what the training is, I wouldn't let it change my moral compass! You don't even KNOW me so dont tell me I would or wouldnt react a certain way!
After all I have considered becoming a cop myself, and I would like to be a cop so I can HELP people out, instead of robbing them from the last minutes they could spend with their loved ones.

[bruin4life]

No you don't. With the training you'd go through you have NO idea how you would react in that situation right now. To tell the truth, the cop only did what he was trained to do because he did the right thing. Morally right? No. But its not his job to be sincere. They dont train you how to be sincere in the academy.

In a lot of cases you can blame the training, not the person in the uniform. The media is making too much of a deal out of this. This is why cops are given bad names. They only give attention to the "bad" ones. Not only is it ridiculous but it makes my future job tougher. Because the "bad" ones get the attention, uneducated morons target ALL of them.

I go to the academy soon and I wish that one day I can go into work after kissing my wife and children goodbye thinking that could be the last.

So the people who say "**** the police" or "I hate cops". Grow up.

I tend to read your post as one agreeing with the cop no matter what simply because you're looking forward to being an officer...I disagree with what the cop did and like i said it appears others with his training disagree too. I do give cops alot more of the benefit of the doubt now that I would have when I was younger because I understand more of what they go through, face, and are trained on but that doesn't excuse them from being an *** or blaming their erratic behaviour on post chase syndrome such as was the case on the 91 in riverside years ago..

[Pnkpnther16]

I tend to read your post as one agreeing with the cop no matter what simply because you're looking forward to being an officer...I disagree with what the cop did and like i said it appears others with his training disagree too. I do give cops alot more of the benefit of the doubt now that I would have when I was younger because I understand more of what they go through, face, and are trained on but that doesn't excuse them from being an *** or blaming their erratic behaviour on post chase syndrome such as was the case on the 91 in riverside years ago..

No actually I don't agree. Im more blaming the training though, not the individual. If you pull a gun in that situation you either should not have a badge or have been through some bad training.

[bruin4life]

No actually I don't agree. Im more blaming the training though, not the individual. If you pull a gun in that situation you either should not have a badge or have been through some bad training.

I think he just panicked. I don't blame the training and agree that he probably shouldn't have had the badge.

[Pnkpnther16]

First of all I never said "**** the police" or "I hate cops" And yes I know I wouldn't react like this moron did knowing the situation! My cousin is about to head out to the academy himself and I know he wont be a "bad cop". No matter what the training is, I wouldn't let it change my moral compass! You don't even KNOW me so dont tell me I would or wouldnt react a certain way!
After all I have considered becoming a cop myself, and I would like to be a cop so I can HELP people out, instead of robbing them from the last minutes they could spend with their loved ones.

I never said you said that...

To the bolded...you would be surprised. I am speaking the truth. Im not just being an *****. Bad training will indeed affect your judgment. Calm down there. I wasn't taking any personal stabs. I was just saying something based on my own observations. No hard feelings if you dont agree.

[xcfan]

There it is. The ol' "the cop was just doing his job" line. Pulling the guy over and giving him a ticket was "doing his job". And no one - including Moats - seemed to have a problem with that. It was all that other "I can arrest you right now... and I can tow your car because it's illegally parked..." bull that is the problem. Like I said, if cops want to be respected, they need to show at least a hint of respect for humanity. Gaffling a guy up for an inordinate amount of time so that you ensure that his mother-in-law dies before he can get in there to see her says "it's all about you recognizing my authority above anything else that might be going on." That is the very definition of being a douche bag... in my opinion.

yep, acknowledge my mastery over you, regardless of circumstance.

it's just a hunch, but i think this goes down better if the moats' family is white. i just have to ask myself what is causing the absurd disconnect from reality in this situation. is it all just the pea-brain cop, or the pea-brain cop playing slave-master?

[Pnkpnther16]

yep, acknowledge my mastery over you, regardless of circumstance.

it's just a hunch, but i think this goes down better if the moats' family is white. i just have to ask myself what is causing the absurd disconnect from reality in this situation. is it all just the pea-brain cop, or the pea-brain cop playing slave-master?

please...:help:

Thats pretty idiotic to make those accusations . Its more racist of YOU to say something like that.

[bruin4life]

please...:help:

Thats pretty idiotic to make those accusations . Its more racist of YOU to say something like that.

To a point i agree but is it Moat's "size" plus color that aided the cop into thinking he needed to drawn his gun?

[49ersnoles]

If the mother was that close to dieing, why weren't they already at the hospital?People with cancer dont die with a ****in shot clock when a person is sick they go anytime the doctor can call a family and tell them we dont think she will make it through the night and she can die five minutes later Im pretty sure they didnt think it would be cool to wait till the last minute and then rush down there:shoot:

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

please...:help:

Thats pretty idiotic to make those accusations . Its more racist of YOU to say something like that.

My brother's a cop and he'd agree that if Moats was white things probably would have gone different in this situation.

[Brian Jennings]

**** da police

[Atomheart]

**** da police

I have friends with that outlook. They seem to be the ones who always run into the "bad" cops. Coincidence? The smart people who know how to deal with police usually have little problems.

[TheWestcoastDon]

don't worry too much over this thought that kid in Oakland helped stop four of them right away for you.:pards:

wow lol.. like 60 cops were going through the freeway hella slow with their sirens on today.. i think they were headed to the funeral or something...

[dhiLL]

**** da police

comin straight from tha underground

[runitupnya]

Ya the cop was an ***, but half of you sound just like him.

[linkboy]

All the cop had to do was escort them into the hospital, let them see her, and then deal with the running of the red light later. Really a simple solution to a situation that never should have happened. Was Moats in the wrong for running the red light, yes. However, the cop was in the wrong for handling the situation the way he did.

As for cops having a "I'm better then you are attitude", I tend to think they do. Its not just civilian cops, I'm in the Air Force and I can't stand working with Security Forces (the AF's version of a cop).

I got back from Baghdad in January working with them and they bascially treated us (aka, everyone not in SF) like crap.

Are there decent cops out there, yes. However, from what I've seen, there's more that treat you like crap.

[NJfaithful78]

comin straight from tha underground

"Without a gun and a badge, what do you got
A sucker in a uniform waiting to get shot"



haha, oh Eazy-E. How i miss you so......:drive:

[Jcdawg23]

I mean, "Technically" the cop was doing his job, but there comes a time to do your job, and help people out. If I were that cop, and someone told me, "sorry, but my mother in-law is dieing", I would have let them go on the spot. This guy was just pissed he had to chase them for a mile before the nicely pulled into a parking spot AT THE HOSPITAL!!! What an *****.

[MR. WEBBER]

he was doing his job by pulling her over and giving her the tickets, but the other stuff is really excessive. the guy sounds like a complete jackass on a power trip. he is doing his job but needs to learn to cut the other crap out.

[DaHonorable49er]

Looked like he also had a run in with Zach Thomas' Wife.

Maritza Thomas was issued five tickets, four of which were later dismissed, after she was stopped for making an illegal U-turn last July. Thomas was handcuffed, placed in the back of a police cruiser, spent about three hours in the Dallas County Jail and was threatened with the possibility of spending the night behind bars. The charges that were dropped were failure to show proof of insurance, running a red light, having an improper address on a driver’s license and not having a registration sticker on the windshield.

Thomas was traveling with her mother, Teresa Lozano, who speaks little English and offered to go home to retrieve the proper paper work for the latter charges. At that point, Powell “unbuckled his holster.” Lozano later shared a ride with the tow truck operator and posted bail for Thomas.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/29/moats-cop-also-detained-thomas-wife/

[Scottish 9er]

suspended with pay.

http://www.dallasnews.com/video/index.html?nvid=345923&stry

the police did apologize and said they were "embarrassed" by him.

Oh great so the guy acts like a jumped up little Hitler prevents Moats from saying farewell to his dying mother and he gets "a paid vacation" for it!

WTF is the world coming to? The guy should just have been straight up suspended, no pay no nothing, he was abusing his powers and should not be rewarded with paid time off work for that abuse.

[born49]

Like in every walk of Life there is good and bad. In this situation the Cop made a bad desicion and rightfully so was dealt with.

But for people to say all cops are bad it is just unfounded and untrue.I have had bad experiances with cops and very pleasant ones.But to me the good ones are the ones that standout.

2 years ago i had a bad back injury and i could barely stand or walk.Long story short i was pulled over coming back from a doctors appointment.I had NO insurance,NO Current DL,Expiared regestration(3years old). Cop gave me a ticket and let me drive Home. :)

[NinersFanatic]

Like in every walk of Life there is good and bad. In this situation the Cop made a bad desicion and rightfully so was dealt with.

But for people to say all cops are bad it is just unfounded and untrue.I have had bad experiances with cops and very pleasant ones.But to me the good ones are the ones that standout.

2 years ago i had a bad back injury and i could barely stand or walk.Long story short i was pulled over coming back from a doctors appointment.I had NO insurance,NO Current DL,Expiared regestration(3years old). Cop gave me a ticket and let me drive Home. :)

So the cop let a potential criminal (you) get away and that's supposed to show that not all cops are bad?

[born49]

So the cop let a potential criminal (you) get away and that's supposed to show that not all cops are bad?
To answer your question. YES and No because he did give me a ticket ($800)But he made sound judgement by letting me drive home instead of walking which at the Time i could not do and by not towing my car.

[Blue Bird]

No you don't. With the training you'd go through you have NO idea how you would react in that situation right now. To tell the truth, the cop only did what he was trained to do because he did the right thing. Morally right? No. But its not his job to be sincere. They dont train you how to be sincere in the academy.

In a lot of cases you can blame the training, not the person in the uniform. The media is making too much of a deal out of this. This is why cops are given bad names. They only give attention to the "bad" ones. Not only is it ridiculous but it makes my future job tougher. Because the "bad" ones get the attention, uneducated morons target ALL of them.

I go to the academy soon and I wish that one day I can go into work after kissing my wife and children goodbye thinking that could be the last.
So the people who say "**** the police" or "I hate cops". Grow up.

Really? Be sure to pay close attention to what's being taught in the academy because The Dallas Chief of Police seems to SERIOUSLY disagree with you:
"I am embarrassed and disappointed by the behavior of one of our police officers," the chief told a packed audience of media outlets that included Inside Edition. "His behavior, in my opinion, did not exhibit the common sense, discretion, the compassion that we expect our officers to exhibit."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html

And while you go on in a later post to say that you're not taking a jab at anyone, you did tell those that say "I hate cops" to "grow up". First off it was already explained that it was meant to be hyperbolic and second of all you need to remember that those you're telling to "grow up" are probably older than you with more life experience - unless of course you're joining the academy very late in life. Frankly you sound like you're going into the academy with the same cop blinders that many are referring to - the bad name that cops have has nothing to do with their own actions, just slanted media. I call bull$#!+.The media generally glows about cops referring to them as "heroes" (in many cases deservedly) almost every time they're on. Most people have developed their opinions of cops from personal experience, not the media.

Your statement in green above makes no sense but I'm guessing you're saying something about wanting to go into work without worrying that you might not see your wife and kids again. My advice to you would be to take any one of the millions of careers out there that might be less risky. You are indeed making a personal career choice so forgive me if I'm less than moved with the whole "I wish I didn't have to..." mumbo jumbo. You haven't even started yet. Not too late to change your mind if you're so concerned. Bus drivers serve an important public service too.

And no disrespect but I find it laughable to hear a cop (or future cop) referring to anyone as "uneducated". The academy isn't exactly an MBA program. As much as you would like to believe otherwise, there are many people who are distrustful of cops that are far more educated than most cops ever dream to be. Yet another point to support the notion that you're going into your new career with disdain for the people you will supposedly "protect and serve".

Finally, it's a little audacious to presume that you know what anyone does or doesn't know about how they would be in a particular situation after they've been trained. Training does not equal brainwashing. They do indeed train you to be sincere (which means "genuine") in the academy although I don't think sincere was the word you were looking for. I would think you meant to say "compassionate" but the point is moot because they do indeed teach that as well as the Dallas Chief pointed out above.

Ironically, the only thing that I actually DO agree with in this situation is the officer drawing his weapon although I don't believe there was any reason for him to point it at anyone. In fairness to him, when people started jumping out of the car as soon as he pulled it over, he had no way to know what was going to happen next. In my mind, just about every decision he made from there on was pretty crappy.

[Blue Bird]

so within 10 minutes she went from doing ok to dying? if she was that fatal why werent they there already? thats what im trying to get across. they should have been there already if she was that close to passing.

I'll assume you've never had anyone close to you die of a long term illness like cancer. They can be sick for months and take a turn for the worst on a moment's notice. Most people in this world don't have the luxury at being at the hospital every moment of every day for the length of that illness. I agree with the person that said earlier that most of your football posts are well founded but you've made yourself look like a person who genuinely has no idea what they're talking about with your remarks in this thread. Your needless name calling has only made that much worse.

Sometimes death comes in a moment and sometimes it comes over months. People who are able to be there with their loved ones when they die are in the small minority and should consider themselves very fortunate. Thanks to Officer Powell needing to flex his authority instead of writing the citation and letting eveyone get on about their business, Ryan Moats isn't one of them.

[Blue Bird]

Officer Powell had NOTHING to do with the death of Moats Mother in Law. He should have changed his stance after about the first 90 seconds, but still he has NO OBLIGATION to allow anyone to leave, or give "warnings" due to serious issues. I am in no way defending his actions, because after the situation was clearly a non-threat type of situation, morally he should have let him go. Legally he doesn't have to do **** for Moats. If they fire him over this, Officer Powell will be sitting pretty after his Civil Lawsuit awards him a large sum of money for wrongful termination.

Its easy, if you don't want this to happen to you, wait the extra 2 minutes for the light to change, that way you would have been there to see your mother in law die. Don't break the laws, and cops don't **** with you.
Umm... Can anyway tell me why he quoted my post to say something that had nothing to do with it and didn't bring anything new to the conversation? Has anyone said that it was the officer's fault that the woman died, said he shouldn't have written a ticket for it, or said that the officer should be fired? No. So what's your point?

I love these people who say "I'm not defending his actions" and then defend his actions. In America, running a red light is a minor traffic infraction that gets a ticket. That's fair enough. The 15 minute lecture from a cop who knows your family member is dying at that very moment is just the additional "umph" that only a cop can give and then turn around and cry as if the public is unfairly persecuting them. Makes me want to puke.

[TouchdownBuddha]

Bottom line, the police exist in order to protect a person's property, which includes themselves and their freedoms. What exactly did this cop do to protect anyone by acting in this manner?

[Pnkpnther16]

And while you go on in a later post to say that you're not taking a jab at anyone, you did tell those that say "I hate cops" to "grow up". First off it was already explained that it was meant to be hyperbolic and second of all you need to remember that those you're telling to "grow up" are probably older than you with more life experience - unless of course you're joining the academy very late in life.

Yes they should grow up. You say you hate cops but you'll call them when you need them correct? Well if you hate them so much, never call them. When your life or a loved ones life is in danger, dont ask for help from a group of professionals that you hate so much. Isnt that fair? I have never had a bad experience with a police officer. I have never been given a ticket. I feel that this is because I know how to deal with them. I have seen too many times when a police officer pulled someone over and then gave an attitude as soon as the officer approached the window. Youd think that these people who you accuse of having more experience would know better in that situation. But thats not the case.

Frankly you sound like you're going into the academy with the same cop blinders that many are referring to - the bad name that cops have has nothing to do with their own actions, just slanted media. I call bull$#!+.The media generally glows about cops referring to them as "heroes" (in many cases deservedly) almost every time they're on. Most people have developed their opinions of cops from personal experience, not the media.

The media is PART of the problem. I recognize that there a bad cops. People who look for authority just to abuse their power. Where did I say the media is fully responsible?


Your statement in green above makes no sense but I'm guessing you're saying something about wanting to go into work without worrying that you might not see your wife and kids again. My advice to you would be to take any one of the millions of careers out there that might be less risky. You are indeed making a personal career choice so forgive me if I'm less than moved with the whole "I wish I didn't have to..." mumbo jumbo. You haven't even started yet. Not too late to change your mind if you're so concerned. Bus drivers serve an important public service too.


You act like you know why im getting into this career. Fortunately, you dont know me. I dont want to be a police officer to hand out tickets and have the ability to avoid red lights by throwing my sirens on. No. Im much more organized than that with my career choice. My goal is to get into K-9. I am currently a pet trainer and want to work with dogs until I retire. Ever since I was young I was interested in K-9. I am a compassionate(yes, better word choice) person and will help people whether I know them or not. For someone who is not an office person and always needs to be active on the job, along with my other characteristics, it the best job for ME. The benefits and opportunities called my name. What I meant was the more people generalize, the tougher and riskier my job becomes.


And no disrespect but I find it laughable to hear a cop (or future cop) referring to anyone as "uneducated". The academy isn't exactly an MBA program. As much as you would like to believe otherwise, there are many people who are distrustful of cops that are far more educated than most cops ever dream to be. Yet another point to support the notion that you're going into your new career with disdain for the people you will supposedly "protect and serve".

As someone with a Bachelors degree(Masters in a few years), I dont need to go to the academy for an all-around education but more to study the law. I appreciate the concern though:shoot: That was pretty ignorant to assume my level of education.

Finally, it's a little audacious to presume that you know what anyone does or doesn't know about how they would be in a particular situation after they've been trained. Training does not equal brainwashing. They do indeed train you to be sincere (which means "genuine") in the academy although I don't think sincere was the word you were looking for. I would think you meant to say "compassionate" but the point is moot because they do indeed teach that as well as the Dallas Chief pointed out above.

The academy teaches you how to react in certain situations. Yes, it is completely safe to say that whoever I quoted, does not know how he would react after being trained to react a certain way in those situations. Other factors are where you are trained, how good your instructor is, and where you are mentally.

Ironically, the only thing that I actually DO agree with in this situation is the officer drawing his weapon although I don't believe there was any reason for him to point it at anyone. In fairness to him, when people started jumping out of the car as soon as he pulled it over, he had no way to know what was going to happen next. In my mind, just about every decision he made from there on was pretty crappy.

I agree after watching the video



I do accept your opinions though. I never defended or agreed with all of the officer's actions anyway

[Pnkpnther16]

I don't at all condone what this officer did but I certainly feel people are overreacting to this and labeling all cops as people who would react in the same way. And needless to say that's simply not true. Cops like this are in the minority despite what anyone on here says or thinks.

:smiliedance:

[lostnfound99]

Officer Powell had NOTHING to do with the death of Moats Mother in Law. He should have changed his stance after about the first 90 seconds, but still he has NO OBLIGATION to allow anyone to leave, or give "warnings" due to serious issues. I am in no way defending his actions, because after the situation was clearly a non-threat type of situation, morally he should have let him go. Legally he doesn't have to do **** for Moats. If they fire him over this, Officer Powell will be sitting pretty after his Civil Lawsuit awards him a large sum of money for wrongful termination.

Its easy, if you don't want this to happen to you, wait the extra 2 minutes for the light to change, that way you would have been there to see your mother in law die. Don't break the laws, and cops don't **** with you.

Moats ran a red light, He didn't feaking kill anybody. From my understanding of this, the cop wouldn't let it go, moats kept on telling him to simply give him the ticket but the cop was paranoid or something. Maybe he was a jags fan...

[lostnfound99]

American Law Enforcer at his finest.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Q49VztpLI

[Vivek49erFan]

I don't at all condone what this officer did but I certainly feel people are overreacting to this and labeling all cops as people who would react in the same way. And needless to say that's simply not true. Cops like this are in the minority despite what anyone on here says or thinks.

YOU TOO :laugh:. This Av is like the plague

[Pnkpnther16]

Yeah I quoted your post because you are blaming the officer for not allowing Moats to see a dying family member. If Moats had not ran the light he would have seen her now. I am not saying the cop did no wrong, morally it is wrong. Leave it to a seafags fan to throw a "Your not good enough to post about my thread" ****....your a ***.

He my be a **** in some areas but in his defense he never said the officer was responsible for the mother's death. You could have left that part out in your last post.

[Blue Bird]

I don't at all condone what this officer did but I certainly feel people are overreacting to this and labeling all cops as people who would react in the same way. And needless to say that's simply not true. Cops like this are in the minority despite what anyone on here says or thinks.

I don't think anyone is "overreacting", they're just expressing their opinions. It could just as easily be said that the cops (or cop hopefuls in some cases) are being oversensitive to the comments being made. But at the end of the day, this is a discussion board so... Overall, I think it's a pretty tame discussion. I haven't heard anyone advocating burning any cops at the stake.

[Pnkpnther16]

Oh great so the guy acts like a jumped up little Hitler prevents Moats from saying farewell to his dying mother IN LAW and he gets "a paid vacation" for it!

WTF is the world coming to? The guy should just have been straight up suspended, no pay no nothing, he was abusing his powers and should not be rewarded with paid time off work for that abuse.

fixed

[Pnkpnther16]

Man, I know you're trying to come off as having these great quick witted comebacks but you keep missing on what was actually said to you. I didn't aim my comment at you or your education level. I inferred that most cops don't have degrees and often have less education than the people that they encounter on a daily basis. Tell me how you having a degree changes what I said. Do you actually believe that you're in the norm and that most cops have a bachelor's degree? All due respect but be sure you're comprehending what you read before you go calling people ignorant. The irony of that is priceless. Besides, nobody is trying to take this to a personal level or make it about you.


On all other points we either dont see eye to eye or I completely disagree with your opinions and dont want to go further. But THIS I will defend. From what you said I certainly did get that you were questioning my level of education. If im not mistaken, you found it funny that me, a cop(or future cop) was being ironic by calling another group of people uneducated. From that I got since I was a cop(or wanted to be a cop) that my education was low. Of course that is a generalization of police officers that you have.

I find it funny that a lot of police officers have degrees and more and more departments are looking for recruits with some type of degree. But you still question the intelligence of most officers? Maybe I went too far by calling you ignorant before, but this statement calls for it.

[Pnkpnther16]

I'm not sure whether I should say "thank you" or "eff you". :thinking::laugh:

Maybe both :whistling2:

[Blue Bird]

Yes they should grow up. You say you hate cops but you'll call them when you need them correct? Well if you hate them so much, never call them. When your life or a loved ones life is in danger, dont ask for help from a group of professionals that you hate so much. Isnt that fair?
*sigh*
Generally speaking, I find that people who run around using phrases like "grow up" are generally the ones who should be taking their own advice and the immaturity in the argument you make here only lends credence to that point of view. First off, you hear what you want to hear. From square one, I admitted to making a tongue-in-cheek generalization about hating cops. I've referred to it being hyperbolic on several occasions but somehow you keep missing that. But let's say I truly did hate cops. What does that have to do with your responsibility to do your job? It's a service that I pre-pay for, need it or not. So who cares whether I like cops or not? I'm paying my local government for that service so you bet your butt that when I need that service, I have the right to expect it to be there whether I like the people that respond or not. I'd love to live in your little world where I don't have to do my job just because my customers don't like me. Grow up indeed.

I have never had a bad experience with a police officer. I have never been given a ticket. I feel that this is because I know how to deal with them. I have seen too many times when a police officer pulled someone over and then gave an attitude as soon as the officer approached the window. Youd think that these people who you accuse of having more experience would know better in that situation. But thats not the case.
Interesting. Where do you see such things? I mean how does one witness "too many times when a police officer pulls someone over". How are you there for that conversation? Are you in the car with the person? Are you in the car with the cop? How do you find yourself standing at ground zero "many times" when these interactions occur to have all of this data? In any case, you lost me here. You're talking about me "accusing people of having more experience" (which actually doesn't make sense but...). I said that many people in this thread who you're telling to grow up probably have more life experience than you. You're talking about random people who you've "witnessed" while being pulled over by a cop. What do the two have to do with each other? Have you witnessed people in this thread being pulled over by cops? You're not making sense.
The media is PART of the problem. I recognize that there a bad cops. People who look for authority just to abuse their power. Where did I say the media is fully responsible?
Where did anyone accuse of saying they were "fully" responsible?
You act like you know why im getting into this career. Fortunately, you dont know me. I dont want to be a police officer to hand out tickets and have the ability to avoid red lights by throwing my sirens on. No. Im much more organized than that with my career choice. My goal is to get into K-9. I am currently a pet trainer and want to work with dogs until I retire. Ever since I was young I was interested in K-9. I am a compassionate(yes, better word choice) person and will help people whether I know them or not. For someone who is not an office person and always needs to be active on the job, along with my other characteristics, it the best job for ME. The benefits and opportunities called my name. What I meant was the more people generalize, the tougher and riskier my job becomes.

All that's great but there's nothing in my post to back your first sentence in this paragraph. I didn't express any opinion or make any assumptions about why you chose your career. I just said there were other choices if you were overly concerned with the perils of that job. I actually didn't even care why you were making that choice although since you've explained them, I did find your reasons interesting and noble enough. I do agree with your last sentence although my response would be that "it is what it is". It's pretty well documented that cops too make certain "generalizations" about people in their day-to-day job and we have to deal with those as well. It ain't fair but it is what it is.

As someone with a Bachelors degree(Masters in a few years), I dont need to go to the academy for an all-around education but more to study the law. I appreciate the concern though That was pretty ignorant to assume my level of education.
Man, I know you're trying to come off as having these great quick witted comebacks but you keep missing on what was actually said to you. I didn't aim my comment at you or your education level. I inferred that most cops don't have degrees and often have less education than the people that they encounter on a daily basis. Tell me how you having a degree changes what I said. Do you actually believe that you're in the norm and that most cops have a bachelor's degree? All due respect but be sure you're comprehending what you read before you go calling people ignorant. The irony of that is priceless. Besides, nobody is trying to take this to a personal level or make it about you.

The academy teaches you how to react in certain situations. Yes, it is completely safe to say that whoever I quoted, does not know how he would react after being trained to react a certain way in those situations. Other factors are where you are trained, how good your instructor is, and where you are mentally.
It's "safe to say" that someone you don't know doesn't know what they would do. But being safe doesn't make it any more intelligent. What's "safe to say" is that the person you quoted knows themself better than you know them.

I do accept your opinions though. I never defended or agreed with all of the officer's actions anyway
Nor did I say you did...

[Blue Bird]

Yeah I quoted your post because you are blaming the officer for not allowing Moats to see a dying family member. If Moats had not ran the light he would have seen her now. I am not saying the cop did no wrong, morally it is wrong. Leave it to a seafags fan to throw a "Your not good enough to post about my thread" ****....your a ***.
I'll take some solace in my ability to recognize that this completely pointless post has nothing to do with the fact that you're a Cardinal fan. Moving on...

[dhiLL]

Cops like this are in the minority despite what anyone on here says or thinks.

I agree from my experiences in dealing with cops. Those cops that do go out of their way to be ***** are the ones that really stand out, hence the image.

[Blue Bird]

He my be a **** in some areas but in his defense he never said the officer was responsible for the mother's death. You could have left that part out in your last post.

I'm not sure whether I should say "thank you" or "eff you". :thinking::laugh:

[Pnkpnther16]

I'll respectfully disagree with your disagreement although I can see how you could take what I said that way. It's as if I said I find it ironic that a guy in a dance class is calling me a sissy. Now this guy may also be a black belt and a three time golden glove champ but it's still ironic that a dancer is calling me a sissy because by and large, dancers aren't exactly known for being tough.

The comment wasn't about you. It's about the fact that most cops have an associate's degree at best so hearing the words uneducated coming from a cop is ironic, even if the cop saying it is himself educated.

I do believe that "more and more police departments are looking for recruits with some type of degree". Why wouldn't they be? Anybody will take a more educated person for a job than a less educated. But there's a difference between looking for and actually getting people. Most people with a degree know that they can make a lot more money doing something else. As it stands, my original statement is true. Most cops - particularly those working in middle class to affluent neighborhoods - are less educated than the civilians they are dealing with. For that reason, I find it ironic when I hear cops talk about citizens as if they're stupid.

I see what your saying and I apologize for taking it the wrong way. In my own experiences, the only "uneducated" cops are the ones who abuse their power. Which I believe is the reason why they do abuse the badge. It may be that I am from Connecticut, but the police officers here(the ones I have had experiences with) are well trained and educated people. Its very hard to get a job with anything less that an associates. I cant speak for where you live though.

[Pnkpnther16]

Between CA, NV, AZ and CO I've found that it's about an even split on whether or not a degree is actually required before getting hired let alone finishing the academy. El Paso Sheriff will actually set it up that you have your degree upon completion of the academy but many are an either/or...as in you either have to have it for some or you don't for others.

That said, actually having a degree doesn't equate to intelligence, suffice to say look at the # of nfl players that have degree but are still dumbasses...

I wouldn't doubt it. Especially in states like CA and NV. But im blind to my area so thats what im basing my opinions on. The quality of a police officer really depends on the area.

[Blue Bird]

On all other points we either dont see eye to eye or I completely disagree with your opinions and dont want to go further. But THIS I will defend. From what you said I certainly did get that you were questioning my level of education. If im not mistaken, you found it funny that me, a cop(or future cop) was being ironic by calling another group of people uneducated. From that I got since I was a cop(or wanted to be a cop) that my education was low. Of course that is a generalization of police officers that you have.

I find it funny that a lot of police officers have degrees and more and more departments are looking for recruits with some type of degree. But you still question the intelligence of most officers? Maybe I went too far by calling you ignorant before, but this statement calls for it.
I'll respectfully disagree with your disagreement although I can see how you could take what I said that way. It's as if I said I find it ironic that a guy in a dance class is calling me a sissy. Now this guy may also be a black belt and a three time golden glove champ but it's still ironic that a dancer is calling me a sissy because by and large, dancers aren't exactly known for being tough.

The comment wasn't about you. It's about the fact that most cops have an associate's degree at best (most just a high school diploma) so hearing the word "uneducated" coming from a cop is ironic, even if the cop saying it is himself educated.

I do believe that "more and more police departments are looking for recruits with some type of degree". Why wouldn't they be? Anybody will take a more educated person for a job than a less educated. But there's a difference between looking for and actually getting people. Most people with a degree know that they can make a lot more money doing something else. As it stands, my original statement is true. Most cops - particularly those working in middle class to affluent neighborhoods - are less educated than the civilians they are dealing with. For that reason, I find it ironic when I hear cops talk about citizens as if they're stupid.

[bruin4life]

I find it funny that a lot of police officers have degrees and more and more departments are looking for recruits with some type of degree. But you still question the intelligence of most officers? Maybe I went too far by calling you ignorant before, but this statement calls for it.

Between CA, NV, AZ and CO I've found that it's about an even split on whether or not a degree is actually required before getting hired let alone finishing the academy. El Paso Sheriff will actually set it up that you have your degree upon completion of the academy but many are an either/or...as in you either have to have it for some or you don't for others.

That said, actually having a degree doesn't equate to intelligence, suffice to say look at the # of nfl players that have degree but are still dumbasses...

[Blue Bird]

Maybe both :whistling2:

:laugh:

[Blue Bird]

Between CA, NV, AZ and CO I've found that it's about an even split on whether or not a degree is actually required before getting hired let alone finishing the academy. El Paso Sheriff will actually set it up that you have your degree upon completion of the academy but many are an either/or...as in you either have to have it for some or you don't for others.

That said, actually having a degree doesn't equate to intelligence, suffice to say look at the # of nfl players that have degree but are still dumbasses...

Dexter Manley heard that and he's not happy with you! :laugh:

[bruin4life]

Dexter Manley heard that and he's not happy with you! :laugh:


lol...i wonder who read it to him...

[Blue Bird]

I see what your saying and I apologize for taking it the wrong way. In my own experiences, the only "uneducated" cops are the ones who abuse their power. Which I believe is the reason why they do abuse the badge. It may be that I am from Connecticut, but the police officers here(the ones I have had experiences with) are well trained and educated people. Its very hard to get a job with anything less that an associates. I cant speak for where you live though.

All good. I appreciate the discussion.

[Blue Bird]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling anyone out here. In general though, this is how the public and media are reacting. It sucks what happened and the cop was definitely wrong in this case. However there is absolutely no question in my mind that this is being blown waaaaaay out of proportion. There's far worst crimes being committed in the world than preventing someone from seeing a dying mother-in-law.

Well I'll respectfully disagree that it's being blown out of proportion by the media. In fact, after a day or two, I don't know of any local media (here in California) that is even dealing with it anymore. There was something the day after it happened, the next day the Chief of Police apologized, and a couple of days later the cop released an apology via his lawyer. That's pretty much been the end of it as far as the media. And when you really think about it, we're really not even discussing it in this thread much anymore. Like most events, it's just a jumping off point for a broader discussion.

In my opinion, this was one of the better discussions with many people strongly expressing their opinions without going overboard and losing their minds (you included). The event is less than a week old and even the side discussions are winding down. I'd say this issue got it's due. Nothing more and nothing less. Just my opinion.

[ninerman80]

This is another good example of how the police system is failing our communities. Don't get me wrong, there are just as many great strories of hero's and selfless men and women also.

But somebody needs to get a handle on this power trip cop crud. Kinda like teachers I guess. These people don't get paid very much, so your gonna get your share of people that are merely interested in the power that comes with the role, rather than the money.

[Jumiah]

Don't break the laws, and cops don't **** with you.

You maybe. I've been ****'d with by cops without breaking any law.

[Jumiah]

I'm a teddy bear.

[NinersFanatic]

You maybe. I've been ****'d with by cops without breaking any law.

Stop looking so intimidating.

[bruin4life]

You maybe. I've been ****'d with by cops without breaking any law.

Stop looking so intimidating.

lol...

[Blue Bird]

Let us end this thread with a public service message about dealing with the police from our old friend Chris Rock.

WARNING: Adult language...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

[Blue Bird]

Saga continues. The cop resigned...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-nflplayer-stopped&prov=ap&type=lgns

[Pnkpnther16]

Stupid. He was pretty much forced to quit because of the national attention but what about the other people who this happen to? Oh I forgot, Moats plays in the NFL. Well thats how the world works. Moats looks like a young officer who has probably not had experience in that type of situation before. I feel bad for his wife and kids. It will probably be hard to find a job. For his family's sake, I wish him the best of luck.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

Stupid. He was pretty much forced to quit because of the national attention but what about the other people who this happen to? Oh I forgot, Moats plays in the NFL. Well thats how the world works. Moats looks like a young officer who has probably not had experience in that type of situation before. I feel bad for his wife and kids. It will probably be hard to find a job. For his family's sake, I wish him the best of luck.

What the cop did was wrong, now I know you have this little officer bias because you're apparently trying to be a cop.... but you can't always take a blind eye to things like this.

[Pnkpnther16]

What the cop did was wrong, now I know you have this little officer bias because you're apparently trying to be a cop.... but you can't always take a blind eye to things like this.

Ok. Did I defend his actions in my post? All I said was this kind of stuff happens a lot and those cops don't get fired or are forced to quit. All I said was the national attention had a major affect on his decision. I wasn't defending his actions at all. I dont have a cop bias. When an officer does wrong I think he should be punished in some way. The same for any job position. What was your point?

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

Ok. Did I defend his actions in my post? All I said was this kind of stuff happens a lot and those cops don't get fired or are forced to quit. All I said was the national attention had a major affect on his decision. I wasn't defending his actions at all. I dont have a cop bias. When an officer does wrong I think he should be punished in some way. The same for any job position. What was your point?

My point is that he should be fired and cops that do this to people who aren't celebrities do get fired. Of course you wouldn't know that though because it doesn't make the news. But cops who do this type of thing do and should get fired. And yes you do have a cop bias, it's very obvious.

[krueger70]

I do not think that being fired is the right punishment.

You say I have bias because I defended his actions but I don't defend it. I only pushed how I somewhat understood how the situation came about such as a possible lack of experience and training in a similar situation. That was my only argument. There is not bias in that. As far as I know, there is no rule that says if a family member is dying, you have to let that person go. What he did was morally worng to most people, including myself. I only defended that he did nothing wrong by the book, which is why I believe that being fired is not the right punishment. Some UNPAID time off(maybe some extra schooling/training) would suit it better. Dont conclude that im "biased" off that. Of course maybe im wrong that he did nothing against the rules. Im going of other posters. I havnt taken the time to watch the whole video.The cop involved in this mess quit his job today!

I'm sure one of the local malls will be ready to take him on if they can supply him with a badge, rascal and flashlight.

[krueger70]

In my mall we have the junior security guards who are in a program and they patrol the mall. I have no idea what they are thinking. Who are the going to stop. Maybe he can join that and put it on his resume :headhurts:Couldn't hurt!

[Pnkpnther16]

My point is that he should be fired and cops that do this to people who aren't celebrities do get fired. Of course you wouldn't know that though because it doesn't make the news. But cops who do this type of thing do and should get fired. And yes you do have a cop bias, it's very obvious.

I do not think that being fired is the right punishment.

You say I have bias because I defended his actions but I don't defend it. I only pushed how I somewhat understood how the situation came about such as a possible lack of experience and training in a similar situation. That was my only argument. There is not bias in that. As far as I know, there is no rule that says if a family member is dying, you have to let that person go. What he did was morally worng to most people, including myself. I only defended that he did nothing wrong by the book, which is why I believe that being fired is not the right punishment. Some UNPAID time off(maybe some extra schooling/training) would suit it better. Dont conclude that im "biased" off that. Of course maybe im wrong that he did nothing against the rules. Im going of other posters. I havnt taken the time to watch the whole video.

You have your opinion of what should happen and I have mine.

[krueger70]

For what it's worth, I think this cop acted like a douche bag but I don't think he needed to be fired. And for the record, he wasn't... or at least not technically.

But I don't think his firing/resignation has to do with Moats being an NFL player. I think that fact shined a brighter light on this incident than most but there are still non-celebrity related incidents that end up in the news. So it's less about Moats being a star and more about the fact that - for whatever reason - this cop was just unlucky enough to get "caught" by the media.

I think this officer needed a strong talking to and very little more. When I heard that he was resigning, I almost wondered if he was doing it as an act of defiance. I wondered if he wasn't saying "I did nothing wrong and if you're not going to back me, I'll just quit" although admittedly there is nothing in his statement to support such a notion. But I doubt he'll have trouble finding work once this dies down. I would imagine that there are a lot of cops who don't really have a problem with what he did and who would be happy to hire him once the spotlight is off of him.

If he was indeed asked to resign, even I think the "punishment doesn't fit the crime."Not sure if you are famiiar with the story where this same cop pulled over the wife of Zach Thomas for making an illegal u turn. He detained her for 20 minutes and added 5 more violations all while threatening to take her to jail.

Locally, the Dallas Police force has not been supporting his actions, at least to the media. It will be interesting to see where he ends up.

[Pnkpnther16]

The cop involved in this mess quit his job today!

I'm sure one of the local malls will be ready to take him on if they can supply him with a badge, rascal and flashlight.

In my mall we have the junior security guards who are in a program and they patrol the mall. I have no idea what they are thinking. Who are the going to stop. Maybe he can join that and put it on his resume :headhurts:

[SBbound49ers]

He absolutely deserved to be fired. The entire nation now thinks that the dallas PD is a bunch of morons on a power trip. Replacing him will take all of three days.

He needed to be made an example of.

[Blue Bird]

For what it's worth, I think this cop acted like a douche bag but I don't think he needed to be fired. And for the record, he wasn't... or at least not technically.

But I don't think his firing/resignation has to do with Moats being an NFL player. I think that fact shined a brighter light on this incident than most but there are still non-celebrity related incidents that end up in the news. So it's less about Moats being a star and more about the fact that - for whatever reason - this cop was just unlucky enough to get "caught" by the media.

I think this officer needed a strong talking to and very little more. When I heard that he was resigning, I almost wondered if he was doing it as an act of defiance. I wondered if he wasn't saying "I did nothing wrong and if you're not going to back me, I'll just quit" although admittedly there is nothing in his statement to support such a notion. But I doubt he'll have trouble finding work once this dies down. I would imagine that there are a lot of cops who don't really have a problem with what he did and who would be happy to hire him once the spotlight is off of him.

If he was indeed asked to resign, even I think the "punishment doesn't fit the crime."

[Pnkpnther16]

Right or wrong, most of the nation thinks that most cops are on a power trip. I don't know that firing him is going to fix that. I doubt that most people were "surprised" by the incident. If being an a-hole is the criteria for firing a cop, I'd expect crime to go through the roof.

Hey now. Im no a-hole :thisbig:

Oh ****. Im out of a job now :couch:

[Blue Bird]

He absolutely deserved to be fired. The entire nation now thinks that the dallas PD is a bunch of morons on a power trip. Replacing him will take all of three days.

He needed to be made an example of.

Right or wrong, most of the nation thinks that most cops are on a power trip. I don't know that firing him is going to fix that. I doubt that most people were "surprised" by the incident. If being an a-hole is the criteria for firing a cop, I'd expect crime to go through the roof.

[Blue Bird]

Hey now. Im no a-hole :thisbig:

Oh ****. Im out of a job now :couch:

Just don't tell anybody until it's too late. :pards:

[Pnkpnther16]

[QUOTE=Blue Bird;220

[Blue Bird]

Not sure if you are famiiar with the story where this same cop pulled over the wife of Zach Thomas for making an illegal u turn. He detained her for 20 minutes and added 5 more violations all while threatening to take her to jail.

Locally, the Dallas Police force has not been supporting his actions, at least to the media. It will be interesting to see where he ends up.

Yeah, I heard about it. I thought he actually DID take her to jail, didn't he? I was just referring to this one incident though. If he's got a long history of abuse of power, that's a whole other issue. I was just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. I just thinks it's kind of hard to justify firing him if he didn't break any laws in the course of his job.

[khanusma]

hmmm.... I wonder if this ***** cop would have gone through some red lights if a loved one of his was dying... hmmm....

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

Funny that I will actually disagree with you here. The officer absolutely deserved to be fired. What he did is something you're taught NOT to do very early in the Academy.

The biggest problem with some departments is the lack of a proper screening process with recruits and the fact that some are too lazy to regularly evaluate the officers performance. Unfortunately this tends to be true in departments based in more high-crime areas as the hiring process tends to be less thorough as manpower becomes more important. Higher salaries and education requirements would go a long way to change this, however. Some departments up here (upstate NY) are already requiring a bachelor's degree just to apply.

That's the same thing my brother (a police officer) said. He watched the video and couldn't believe how much of a moron the guy is.

Also, in California you can't take someone to jail for running a red light.... Is it like that in New York where you are? My brother said he wasn't sure about Texas' rules, but taking a guy into the jail for running red light would make him look like a moron - legal or not.

[krueger70]

Yeah, I heard about it. I thought he actually DID take her to jail, didn't he? I was just referring to this one incident though. If he's got a long history of abuse of power, that's a whole other issue. I was just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. I just thinks it's kind of hard to justify firing him if he didn't break any laws in the course of his job.I think he did!

This cop is only 25 years old. If this guy had a little more maturity and experience this entire situation could have been avoided. Maybe?