Latest Opinion On Our Draft

[WiltonDeportes]

I am beginning to doubt that there is a first rounder worth our pick. Mark Sanchez is the only player that is projected to be available that is worth #10.

I say we trade out of the first and load up on 2nd and 3rds. Here are some guys I'm targeting:

Andre Brown- 2nd
Shawn Nelson- 2nd
Lawrence Sidburry- 2nd-3rd
Brooks Foster- 3rd
Terrance Knighton- 3rd-4th
Augustus Parrish- 4th-5th
Quinn Johnson- 5th
Reggie Youngblood- 6th-7th

There are numerous teams with a lot of picks in the 2nd-4th range this year and assuming team are interested, we could easily stockpile them by trading our first and possibly a future 3rd or so if necessary.

This is what our depth chart would look like if all this happened:

QB- Shaun Hill/Alex Smith/Damon Huard
HB- Frank Gore/Andre Brown/Thomas Clayton/Michael Robinson
FB- Moran Norris/Quinn Johnson
TE- Vernon Davis/Shawn Nelson/Delanie Walker
WR- Josh Morgan/Jason Hill/Brooks Foster
WR- Brandon Jones/Dominique Ziegler/Arnaz Battle
RT- Marcel Smith/Reggie Youngblood/Adam Snyder
RG- Chilo Rachal/Tony Wragge
C- Eric Heitmann/Cody Wallace
LG- David Baas/Joe Toledo
LT- Joe Staley/Augustus Parrish

DE- Kentwan Balmer/Demetric Evans
NT- Isaac Sopoaga/Abrauyo Franklin/Terrance Knighton
DE- Justin Smith/Ray McDonald
OLB- Manny Lawson/Jay Moore
MLB- Takeo Spikes/Jeff Ulbrich
MLB- Patrick Willis/Justin Roland
OLB- Parys Haralson/Lawrence Sidburry
CB- Nate Clements/Marcus Hudson/Shawntae Spencer
CB- Walt Harris/Tarell Brown
FS- Dashon Goldson/Reggie Smith
SS- Michael Lewis/Jimmy Williams

Thoughts?

[MR. WEBBER]

sanchez is worth the number 10 pick? in whose draft? not this one.

[WiltonDeportes]

sanchez is worth the number 10 pick? in whose draft? not this one.

I think he's going to be a very good quarterback thats why...

[49ersforlife5x]

I would say that's a really bad, really cheap-skate way to think. This draft just doesn't have enough good players to think like that. This draft is going to be pretty weak, so I'd say get the best we can, at any cost.

[He_Hate_Me]

so just draft a bunch of backups?

[Sky Valley]

Who are we, the Patriots? Our coaching staff is not good enough to take a bunch of 3rd rounders and find roles for them where we can win.

Trading down is the luxury of good teams.

[belgium49er]

Last Q&A with Mccloughlan:


Q: Hi Scot, thanks for your time. Over the last few years, you haven't traded back in the draft. It seems that there will be several good players at positions of need available late in the first round (or early second). If a good offer was made, would you consider trading down in the draft? – Marty
A: I think this year we probably won’t be trading down although nothing’s ever definite. We always leave every avenue open when it comes to the draft. You want to be in the best situation whether that’s staying where you’re at, trading back or trading up which we did with Adam Snyder in 2005 in the third round. If you go in thinking that you’re not going to trade, I think you close too many doors. You do whatever you can to make the team better. Each draft is different and I’ll accept any phone call that comes in and I’ll be making phone calls. You never pass on a good football player if he’s sitting there staring at you in the

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

Horrible.

[superman1]

I am beginning to doubt that there is a first rounder worth our pick. Mark Sanchez is the only player that is projected to be available that is worth #10.

I say we trade out of the first and load up on 2nd and 3rds. Here are some guys I'm targeting:

Andre Brown- 2nd
Shawn Nelson- 2nd
Lawrence Sidburry- 2nd-3rd
Brooks Foster- 3rd
Terrance Knighton- 3rd-4th
Augustus Parrish- 4th-5th
Quinn Johnson- 5th
Reggie Youngblood- 6th-7th

There are numerous teams with a lot of picks in the 2nd-4th range this year and assuming team are interested, we could easily stockpile them by trading our first and possibly a future 3rd or so if necessary.

This is what our depth chart would look like if all this happened:

QB- Shaun Hill/Alex Smith/Damon Huard
HB- Frank Gore/Andre Brown/Thomas Clayton/Michael Robinson
FB- Moran Norris/Quinn Johnson
TE- Vernon Davis/Shawn Nelson/Delanie Walker
WR- Josh Morgan/Jason Hill/Brooks Foster
WR- Brandon Jones/Dominique Ziegler/Arnaz Battle
RT- Marcel Smith/Reggie Youngblood/Adam Snyder
RG- Chilo Rachal/Tony Wragge
C- Eric Heitmann/Cody Wallace
LG- David Baas/Joe Toledo
LT- Joe Staley/Augustus Parrish

DE- Kentwan Balmer/Demetric Evans
NT- Isaac Sopoaga/Abrauyo Franklin/Terrance Knighton
DE- Justin Smith/Ray McDonald
OLB- Manny Lawson/Jay Moore
MLB- Takeo Spikes/Jeff Ulbrich
MLB- Patrick Willis/Justin Roland
OLB- Parys Haralson/Lawrence Sidburry
CB- Nate Clements/Marcus Hudson/Shawntae Spencer
CB- Walt Harris/Tarell Brown
FS- Dashon Goldson/Reggie Smith
SS- Michael Lewis/Jimmy Williams

Thoughts?thank God that you're not picking in our draft.

[WiltonDeportes]

so just draft a bunch of backups?

Just because they don't start as rookies doesn't mean they aren't starters...I see:
-Andre Brown being practically a dual starter with Gore within year 2
-Quinn Johnson starting by the end of this year
-Shawn Nelson and Vernon Davis forming the best 2 TE set the league has ever seen
-Brooks Foster being a possible starter (but definitly giving us good depth there)
-Knighton being a starter in a couple years
-Parrish possibly being a starter depending on injuries and who we keep in the future
-Youngblood being a starter when Marcel Smith leaves or gets injuried if we leave Staley and Parrish on the left side
-Sidburry being a situational pass rusher at first but could start on either side in a year or 2

[WiltonDeportes]

Last Q&A with Mccloughlan:


Q: Hi Scot, thanks for your time. Over the last few years, you haven't traded back in the draft. It seems that there will be several good players at positions of need available late in the first round (or early second). If a good offer was made, would you consider trading down in the draft? – Marty
A: I think this year we probably won’t be trading down although nothing’s ever definite. We always leave every avenue open when it comes to the draft. You want to be in the best situation whether that’s staying where you’re at, trading back or trading up which we did with Adam Snyder in 2005 in the third round. If you go in thinking that you’re not going to trade, I think you close too many doors. You do whatever you can to make the team better. Each draft is different and I’ll accept any phone call that comes in and I’ll be making phone calls. You never pass on a good football player if he’s sitting there staring at you in the

I'd rather have 3 good football players than 1 good football player. We should be able to trade our #10 for 3 picks in the 2nd-3rd rounder range. Also (and I'm not saying he is thinking this) but if he straight out said he wanted to trade back, don't you think he would lose a little leverage?

[WiltonDeportes]

Who are we, the Patriots? Our coaching staff is not good enough to take a bunch of 3rd rounders and find roles for them where we can win.

Trading down is the luxury of good teams.

Getting a lot of quality picks in the draft that are used well is how good teams become great.

[WiltonDeportes]

:laugh: You basically are saying this would be the best draft in history. Good job.

Well obviously all of that won't happen, but those would be the goals and what I see their potential being.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

Just because they don't start as rookies doesn't mean they aren't starters...I see:
-Andre Brown being practically a dual starter with Gore within year 2
-Quinn Johnson starting by the end of this year
-Shawn Nelson and Vernon Davis forming the best 2 TE set the league has ever seen
-Brooks Foster being a possible starter (but definitly giving us good depth there)
-Knighton being a starter in a couple years
-Parrish possibly being a starter depending on injuries and who we keep in the future
-Youngblood being a starter when Marcel Smith leaves or gets injuried if we leave Staley and Parrish on the left side
-Sidburry being a situational pass rusher at first but could start on either side in a year or 2

:laugh: You basically are saying this would be the best draft in history. Good job.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

Well obviously all of that won't happen, but those would be the goals and what I see their potential being.

We're too terrible of a team to pass on a top 10 player so we can get more 2nd and 3rd round picks.... it just won't happen, thank God.

[WiltonDeportes]

We're too terrible of a team to pass on a top 10 player so we can get more 2nd and 3rd round picks.... it just won't happen, thank God.

We aren't as bad as you think. We need to trust our past drafts and signings be able to start this year. The draft is for long term decisions. Also, just because you take a guy later doesn't mean he's not as good as a first rounder. Let me go through the guys again and explain their redeeming qualities like Bill Walsh would.

-Andre Brown is power and speed. He can pound it in the middle or take an off tackle run the distance. Most talented RB in the draft. Shows good hands too.
-Quinn Johnson is a bulldozer of a fullback when blocking. He combines that with solid vision and power when given the ball. He has solid hands as a reciever too.
-Shawn Nelson is one of the best TE's I have ever seen coming up (granted I haven't been around for all that many drafts). He has the speed and height (6'5"). He looks like a WR catching the ball and running routes. He is a terrific blocker for his size at 240 pounds. I see no problem in him adding a little weight too.
-Brooks Foster has a very solid build throughout and he is extremely athletic. He has good hands. He played with 2 other NFL recievers in college so he never had a chance to shine. He can be a deep threat, work the short routes, and go over the middle. He's also great after the catch. He walked on and made the basketball team at North Carolina that won the 2005 championship.
-Terrance Knighton is massize at 6'3" 330, yet athletic for that size. He is good at dropping his hips when taking on blockers or changing direction.
-Augustus Parrish is a little small at 6'4" 305. I like him because he has great feet and long arms. He is surprisingly solid at run blocking too. I think if he adds some strength he will be a good all around tackle.
-Reggie Youngblood- While his feet are not quite as good as Parrish's, I think he is stronger. He's still pretty athletic and is also 6'4". He can definitly be a good starter at RT.
-Lawrence Sidburry seems short at 6'2" 266. However, he has long arms and legs. He plays like he is 6'4". He has good flexibility and can cover extremely well for a guy that played DE in college. I have seen a good outside rush and a couple other solid moves from him. Our coaches will need to teach him a little technique as a rusher, but he's got great potential.

[belgium49er]

I'd rather have 3 good football players than 1 good football player. We should be able to trade our #10 for 3 picks in the 2nd-3rd rounder range. Also (and I'm not saying he is thinking this) but if he straight out said he wanted to trade back, don't you think he would lose a little leverage?


And i would rather have 1 excellent difference maker than 3 'good' footballplayers

[WiltonDeportes]

And i would rather have 1 excellent difference maker than 3 'good' footballplayers

There's no such thing for our team in the first round. You want a difference maker? Name a guy that we could take at pick 10 that would immediately start and be a great improvement over the guy we have behind him.

[belgium49er]

There's no such thing for our team in the first round. You want a difference maker? Name a guy that we could take at pick 10 that would immediately start and be a great improvement over the guy we have behind him.


It depends of the first 5-6 teams who picks if some of the guys who are high on our list im sure we try to make a move

[49ersforlife5x]

Just because they don't start as rookies doesn't mean they aren't starters...I see:
-Andre Brown being practically a dual starter with Gore within year 2
-Quinn Johnson starting by the end of this year
-Shawn Nelson and Vernon Davis forming the best 2 TE set the league has ever seen
-Brooks Foster being a possible starter (but definitly giving us good depth there)
-Knighton being a starter in a couple years
-Parrish possibly being a starter depending on injuries and who we keep in the future
-Youngblood being a starter when Marcel Smith leaves or gets injuried if we leave Staley and Parrish on the left side
-Sidburry being a situational pass rusher at first but could start on either side in a year or 2

Who do you buy your crack off of?

[MR. WEBBER]

so you want to waste a 2nd round pick on a TE? we have davis and walker, but you want to use a high 2nd rounder, a pick we could use in many different ways, on a player we have 2 pretty good players at? sorry my friend but WTF?

[WiltonDeportes]

so you want to waste a 2nd round pick on a TE? we have davis and walker, but you want to use a high 2nd rounder, a pick we could use in many different ways, on a player we have 2 pretty good players at? sorry my friend but WTF?

Because he is going to be a good player! I don't consider Delanie all that great of a TE because of his shortcoming as a blocker. Just because we have one good player there doesnt mean we can't draft another at the position (there are formations with more than 1 TE). He is simply best player available.

[roryslosh]

Thoughts?

Retarded.

[roryslosh]

you guys think if Crabtree is still there at 10 we take him? its a very good possibilty he'll be there now....i sure hope we can crab him at the 10 spot!

very very little chance he's there, im sure we'd take him if he was though.

[MR. WEBBER]

you guys think if Crabtree is still there at 10 we take him? its a very good possibilty he'll be there now....i sure hope we can crab him at the 10 spot!

if he is there its a no brainer, we run to the podium to announce his name.

[MR. WEBBER]

Because he is going to be a good player! I don't consider Delanie all that great of a TE because of his shortcoming as a blocker. Just because we have one good player there doesnt mean we can't draft another at the position (there are formations with more than 1 TE). He is simply best player available.

so with all the needs of this team you want to waste a 2nd round pick, a very vaulable pick, on a position that we have nice depth at? thank god you are not picking for our team.

[49ersPhEnOm]

sanchez is worth the number 10 pick? in whose draft? not this one.

lmao i agree 100% with you....i want us to wait next year to take COLT MCCOY from TEXAS.:sfhelmet:

[49ersPhEnOm]

you guys think if Crabtree is still there at 10 we take him? its a very good possibilty he'll be there now....i sure hope we can crab him at the 10 spot!

[dhimiter]

you guys think if Crabtree is still there at 10 we take him? its a very good possibilty he'll be there now....i sure hope we can crab him at the 10 spot!

I think so. I'm a huge Crabtree fan and hope we snag him at 10.

As far as trading out of 10 to get a number of 2nds is really kinda crazy if you think about it.

The value of the 10 pick is about 6 or 7 2nd round picks. Maybe we trade with New England all three 2nd round picks, there 1st and a 1st or 2nd next year. The only way that option becomes possible.

I am a fan of moving down if say, Crabtree, Raji, Curry, and Monroe are gone. How far depends on the deal. I could see Philly, NYJ, TB, all possibilities.

[OsBoogie]

bleh... we can keep our first and still land a guy or two off that list and that list doesn't look all that great... I'm all for trading down in the first and having another pick... but there are about 14 players that I would take at #10

[WiltonDeportes]

I think so. I'm a huge Crabtree fan and hope we snag him at 10.

As far as trading out of 10 to get a number of 2nds is really kinda crazy if you think about it.

The value of the 10 pick is about 6 or 7 2nd round picks. Maybe we trade with New England all three 2nd round picks, there 1st and a 1st or 2nd next year. The only way that option becomes possible.

I am a fan of moving down if say, Crabtree, Raji, Curry, and Monroe are gone. How far depends on the deal. I could see Philly, NYJ, TB, all possibilities.

I see Foster's potential being not tooo far behind Crabtree. They are both about 6'1" 210. Both are very athletic on cuts and agility. Both have good hands. Foster has slightly better speed than Crabtree, yet Crabtree is a little bigger. Why use a high first rounder on a position where we have decent depth when we can get a 3rd rounder at the same position who isn't all that far behind him?

Also, the value of our first is about 2 2nd rounders and a 3rd. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670)

edit: let me just clarify that I think Crabtree is an elite talent who should be gone by pick 10 anyways

[OsBoogie]

you should just rename this thread to "I like a lot of late round prospects"... because none of the guys you are talking about are worth giving up the 10th overall pick for

[WiltonDeportes]

there's one main alternative to this mock that I would like:
1. Brian Orakpo OLB
2. Andre Brown HB
3. Brooks Foster WR
4. Terrance Knighton NT
5. Augustus Parrish LT
5c. Quinn Johnson FB
6. Reggie Youngblood RT

I just doubt that we could get all those guys in that 3rd-5th round range with the picks we have. I also question Orakpo's coverage abilities.

[WiltonDeportes]

Let me throw out another name. Victor Butler from Oregon State. Shows a ton of pass rushing ability. His 40 was 4.72 at his pro day. He is pretty light at 240 and I haven't seen him in coverage yet, but he's got a burst, long arms, strength, and he was extremely productive in college (including 4 sacks in his senior bowl game).

[NinersFanatic]

We're too terrible of a team to pass on a top 10 player so we can get more 2nd and 3rd round picks.... it just won't happen, thank God.

If we're terrible, we have multiple needs and should try to milk as many picks as possible.

[MR. WEBBER]

I see Foster's potential being not tooo far behind Crabtree. They are both about 6'1" 210. Both are very athletic on cuts and agility. Both have good hands. Foster has slightly better speed than Crabtree, yet Crabtree is a little bigger. Why use a high first rounder on a position where we have decent depth when we can get a 3rd rounder at the same position who isn't all that far behind him?

Also, the value of our first is about 2 2nd rounders and a 3rd. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670)

edit: let me just clarify that I think Crabtree is an elite talent who should be gone by pick 10 anyways

you really think foster is anywhere close to what crabtree is? holy ****! i must be missing something here.

[WiltonDeportes]

you really think foster is anywhere close to what crabtree is? holy ****! i must be missing something here.

Here's a little clip to watch him on youtube, but there is a lot more online if you really look for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcarsdf6o1o

If we're terrible, we have multiple needs and should try to milk as many picks as possible.

Thank you for seeing things my way! I feel like I'm practically alone on this board.

[pepe]

so just draft a bunch of backups?

It's called building gradual. :banghead: