Bottom Line -- Where will Cutler land?

[jackacid]

Let the speculation begin.

I think the Jets and Bucs have a near equal shot and one of them will come out on top. Carolina is probably the 3rd in line of realistic options.

Detroit is hard to imagine because teams do NOT want the #1 overall pick, unless the Lions could use their second rounder. Other problem for them is they don't have many players worth including. I doubt the Broncos see Culpepper as a better option than Chris Simms.

I don't think we're in the running much because of an equal problem with coming up with compensation. Unless the Broncos have a strong feeling about Stafford or Sanchez (we can safely guess one of the two, if not both, will be available at #10), I don't see what value we could offer. I also don't see them being interested in developing Smith (Nolan and Smith together again? What a turn of events that would be!)

Cleveland is intriguing because they actually have 2 QBs worth looking at, but then it comes down to what Denver thinks either of them are worth.

Chicago could use him in the worst way, but again, the Bears have compensation problems. They have virtually no value on the offensive side of the ball (minus Forte, who isn't going anywhere). They have the 18th pick overall, which is a lot less than other teams in on the discussion.

Washington makes sense because of how poorly they go about acquiring non-drafted personnel (Portis is the only trade I can remember in the last 10 years worth a lick.) But because they are classic over-reachers, I could see them making a foolish offer, even though I think Campbell is still a solid young QB worth sticking with for another year or two.

Carolina makes a lot of sense because we all know Delhomme is done as a quality starter and they have a lot of talent they could consider moving.

[Pnkpnther16]

Jets Bucs or Browns

[jackacid]

Jets Bucs or Browns

Yeah I don't know why, but the Bucs and Jets just seem like the most likely to happen (regardless of if it makes sense or not.)

And I had to pick between those two, I take the Jets because they have been very aggressive in the last 2 years in acquiring talent (Faneca, Calvin Pace, Favre, etc.)

I'm trying to recall though -- what picks did the Jets cough up for Favre? I know they lost a pick or two, so that could hurt them for making an offer.

[jackacid]

Why are the Jets and Bucs considered front runners when they don't pick until 17th and 19th respectively. Meanwhile, we have the #10.

The Jets and Bucs would have to offer up quite a collection of picks to trump a #10. Although I do agree they are more desperate, and would be more willing to give up multiple picks spread out over several years, to make a trade happen.

I just mentioned in my second post -- my guess is because the Jets have been ultra aggressive the last couple of years, so I could see them over-offering. I don't know enough about Morris to know how aggressive he is, but with Gruden out of the picture, the Bucs' method of "get as many decent-to-middle-of-the-road-QBs" mentality is likely out the window.

But I agree with you, both teams don't have the draft position to compete with the Lions, 49ers, etc.

[jackacid]

The Jets and Bucs are a lot more aggressive than we are.

Why aren't the Vikings a choice?

Good call, they should be. My bad.

However, Rosenfels will at least temper their aggressiveness.

[49erfanatic]

Im going with the bucs... they need Cutler in the worst way... then again they dont have chucky the QB horder any more, so maybe not.

[BrentJones84]

Why are the Jets and Bucs considered front runners when they don't pick until 17th and 19th respectively. Meanwhile, we have the #10.

The Jets and Bucs would have to offer up quite a collection of picks to trump a #10. Although I do agree they are more desperate, and would be more willing to give up multiple picks spread out over several years, to make a trade happen.

[Nelson]

3 way trade between the Broncos, Jets and Browns.Cutler to Jets, Quinn to Broncos and Jets 1st rounder to Browns and 4th rounder to Broncos.

Get your head round that one LOL. Thats what I think will happen anyway.

[NinersFanatic]

Why are the Jets and Bucs considered front runners when they don't pick until 17th and 19th respectively. Meanwhile, we have the #10.

The Jets and Bucs are a lot more aggressive than we are.

Why aren't the Vikings a choice?

[BrentJones84]

I just mentioned in my second post -- my guess is because the Jets have been ultra aggressive the last couple of years, so I could see them over-offering. I don't know enough about Morris to know how aggressive he is, but with Gruden out of the picture, the Bucs' method of "get as many decent-to-middle-of-the-road-QBs" mentality is likely out the window.

But I agree with you, both teams don't have the draft position to compete with the Lions, 49ers, etc.

The Jets picks as of right now:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:nyj

Round 1, Pick 17 (17)
Round 2, Pick 20 (52)
Round 3, Pick 12 (76) (From New Orleans)
Round 4, Pick 15 (115) (From Washington)
Round 6, Pick 20 (193)
Round 7, Pick 19 (228)

The Jets gave up a conditional pick for Favre that was tied to performance, but it seems the Jets made some trades to get which ever pick it was back.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2008/08/06/2008-08-06_jets_trade_for_brett_favre.html
It cost the Jets a conditional fourth-round pick in 2009, but the pick will escalate to a first-rounder if Favre appears in 80% of the plays and the Jets make it to the Super Bowl, according to a league source. The pick could be a second- or third-rounder depending on Favre's playing time and the Jets' performance.

[Montana_Magic]

3 way trade between the Broncos, Jets and Browns.Cutler to Jets, Quinn to Broncos and Jets 1st rounder to Browns and 4th rounder to Broncos.

Get your head round that one LOL. Thats what I think will happen anyway.

So the Browns wouldn't want Cutler?

[Nelson]

So the Browns wouldn't want Cutler?

I dunno really. They could do but they have 2 starting calibre QB's there already. Although I do believe that Cutler is much better than both of them.

The Browns have bigger holes on their team than QB so aquireing 2 1st round picks could be a good move for them.

[Montana_Magic]

I dunno really. They could do but they have 2 starting calibre QB's there already. Although I do believe that Cutler is much better than both of them.


Anderson and Cutler both have huge problems with mistakes. So if they were ok with a mistake prone QB, i would imagine they would just go ahead and upgrade the pos, especially when all it takes is Quinn and a fourth. Also, i don't see why the Broncos would help two AFC teams when they really don't have too.

[NiNeRtHeOrY]

Lions

[Nelson]

Anderson and Cutler both have huge problems with mistakes. So if they were ok with a mistake prone QB, i would imagine they would just go ahead and upgrade the pos, especially when all it takes is Quinn and a fourth. Also, i don't see why the Broncos would help two AFC teams when they really don't have too.

Thats a good point I cant argue with that.

[bruin4life]

Why are the Jets and Bucs considered front runners when they don't pick until 17th and 19th respectively. Meanwhile, we have the #10.

The Jets and Bucs would have to offer up quite a collection of picks to trump a #10. Although I do agree they are more desperate, and would be more willing to give up multiple picks spread out over several years, to make a trade happen.

This is assuming the Bronco's want strictly draft picks as opposed to potential at QB as well as other positions. I'm assuming that the Broncos would be also considering improving their front 7 and their RB position as part of any trade in addition to or in place of a draft pick.

IMO the Jets and Bucs have more to offer in terms of total trade package than SF unless SF would be willing to let go of Willis, which i doubt.

[NY2ThaBay08]

Jets Bucs or Browns


yep

[heathramos]

maybe a 3 way trade will happen involving the Browns

1st round pick next year to Browns, 1st round pick this year to Denver, Quinn/Anderson to Denver

that's a lot to give up, though

if I were the 49ers, I'm not sure I would give up 2 first round picks for him but maybe another team will

[iagiansti]

Lions or Cleveland is my best guess.

[jackacid]

I think the Lions' smartest move would be to get Cutler. Lets say they select Stafford #1 overall. They would be paying him close to $60 million with at least $30 million guaranteed! That's a HUGE investment for someone who may not turn out to be "that guy".

With Cutler, you get a guy who has proven he can put up numbers. However, I do not believe he has proven to be a franchise QB. Overall, I would say it would be smart to trade the #1 pick for Cutler because it would be safer, and less of a risk. All they would have to do is take over his contract, which wouldn't put a huge dent in their salary cap.

Denver won't want the #1 overall. More likely would be Detroit's #20 pick and possibly a 2nd or 3rd.

[9erzallday]

I think the Lions' smartest move would be to get Cutler. Lets say they select Stafford #1 overall. They would be paying him close to $60 million with at least $30 million guaranteed! That's a HUGE investment for someone who may not turn out to be "that guy".

With Cutler, you get a guy who has proven he can put up numbers. However, I do not believe he has proven to be a franchise QB. Overall, I would say it would be smart to trade the #1 pick for Cutler because it would be safer, and less of a risk. All they would have to do is take over his contract, which wouldn't put a huge dent in their salary cap.

[Samson jR 80818]

I say the Jets, but I hope we get him.

[NinersFanatic]

IMO the Jets and Bucs have more to offer in terms of total trade package than SF unless SF would be willing to let go of Willis, which i doubt.

How so?

[Montana_Magic]

His entire financial future rides on Cutler and Calvin Johnson becoming All-Pro players by the time their second contracts roll around.

Link?

[bruin4life]

How so?

They have more defensively to offer the Broncos to get Cutler in addition to a pick. They also have more in terms of WR/TE that I think they'd be willing to give up than SF.

I doubt SF would give up Willis and as much as I think they should, I don't see them giving up Vernon.

i also wouldn't be completely surprised to see NYJ give up a RB in addition to a pick to get Cutler depending on how they rate this years RB class.

[bruin4life]

What team would want to trade up to that #1 spot though?

I think we tried to trade down when we had the #1 overall pick. Couldn't get it done.

agreed. NFLN talked about how teams don't want the damaging financial affect of the #1 pick this year...

[jackacid]

You dont think maybe they would entertain taking the #1 to trade down and package more picks ?

No I really don't. It's an expensive, costly gamble to be picking #1 overall and if anyone was interested in trading up to get it, Detroit would have already made that happen.

It's very rare to see a team trade up to get the #1 overall, unless you're Mike Ditka :laugh:

[iagiansti]

Denver won't want the #1 overall. More likely would be Detroit's #20 pick and possibly a 2nd or 3rd.

You dont think maybe they would entertain taking the #1 to trade down and package more picks ?

[jackacid]

I can see them giving up #20, a 3rd Round, and next year's first.

...and I bet Bus Cook does everything he can to make it happen. His entire financial future rides on Cutler and Calvin Johnson becoming All-Pro players by the time their second contracts roll around. He's the one making all of this happen in the first place.

Cutler to Calvin is a scary concept for the next 10 years.

Then again, that's without an O-line, RB, defense, etc. :laugh:

[NiNeRtHeOrY]

Cutler to Calvin is a scary concept for the next 10 years.

Then again, that's without an O-line, RB, defense, etc. :laugh:

I think they got their RB, Kevin Smith looks like he can be a respectable starter for them.

[Bivouac]

Denver won't want the #1 overall. More likely would be Detroit's #20 pick and possibly a 2nd or 3rd.

I can see them giving up #20, a 3rd Round, and next year's first.

...and I bet Bus Cook does everything he can to make it happen. His entire financial future rides on Cutler and Calvin Johnson becoming All-Pro players by the time their second contracts roll around. He's the one making all of this happen in the first place.

[NinersFanatic]

You dont think maybe they would entertain taking the #1 to trade down and package more picks ?

What team would want to trade up to that #1 spot though?

I think we tried to trade down when we had the #1 overall pick. Couldn't get it done.

[RickyWatters]

I think they got their RB, Kevin Smith looks like he can be a respectable starter for them.

Definately true...with a few linemen (and I know how hard it is to build a good line) they'd make a pretty solid offense.

[jackacid]

I think they got their RB, Kevin Smith looks like he can be a respectable starter for them.

So did Kevin Jones. Dunno, it will take another year to be sure.

[krowleey]

Why are the Jets and Bucs considered front runners when they don't pick until 17th and 19th respectively. Meanwhile, we have the #10.

The Jets and Bucs would have to offer up quite a collection of picks to trump a #10. Although I do agree they are more desperate, and would be more willing to give up multiple picks spread out over several years, to make a trade happen.


good point, but the niners are pretty desperate as well. not to mention we could easily give up smith and our number 1 for Cutler, which Denver may take. i think the niners have a real good shot at him.

[Pnkpnther16]

The Lions, if they are finally smart, should make a huge run. They can get a proven, pro bowl QB instead of a an unproven one.

[krowleey]

also i seriously doubt Denver lets him go to the AFC, another reason i think SF could land him.

[NinersFanatic]

They have more defensively to offer the Broncos to get Cutler in addition to a pick. They also have more in terms of WR/TE that I think they'd be willing to give up than SF.

I doubt SF would give up Willis and as much as I think they should, I don't see them giving up Vernon.

i also wouldn't be completely surprised to see NYJ give up a RB in addition to a pick to get Cutler depending on how they rate this years RB class.

I don't really see the Broncos trading for actual players. It'll probably be just picks and perhaps a QB. If we have one advantage, it's Mike Nolan. Since he did draft all these guys, he must like them and could push Bronco's management to trade for someone like Lawson.

If McCloughlan really wanted to, we could get the deal done.

[LottdownD42]

I would have to make an argument for the Redskins!

They've been extremely aggressive as usual and don't have many needs to address in the draft for immediate help so picks aren't an issue.
Cambell.. He's a promising young QB who has good trade value and could be put together in a nice package
Shanahan... Yes Mike Shanahan is still looking for a coaching gig and if the Skins don't live up to expectations Snyder will throw the bank at him. IF the trade went through, He'd be reuniting with 2 very productive players from the past in Cutler and Portis! So this could be used to lure the great coach Snyder has been looking for

[bruin4life]

The Broncos should trade Cutler to the Lions. That'll teach the diva Jay Cutler a lesson.

usually my answer for any diva trade question..send him to detroit and let him really feels what it's like to be somewhere where championships aren't even thought about...

[MCHan]

The Broncos should trade Cutler to the Lions. That'll teach the diva Jay Cutler a lesson.

[Ness]

Let the speculation begin.

I think the Jets and Bucs have a near equal shot and one of them will come out on top. Carolina is probably the 3rd in line of realistic options.

Detroit is hard to imagine because teams do NOT want the #1 overall pick, unless the Lions could use their second rounder. Other problem for them is they don't have many players worth including. I doubt the Broncos see Culpepper as a better option than Chris Simms.

I don't think we're in the running much because of an equal problem with coming up with compensation. Unless the Broncos have a strong feeling about Stafford or Sanchez (we can safely guess one of the two, if not both, will be available at #10), I don't see what value we could offer. I also don't see them being interested in developing Smith (Nolan and Smith together again? What a turn of events that would be!)

Cleveland is intriguing because they actually have 2 QBs worth looking at, but then it comes down to what Denver thinks either of them are worth.

Chicago could use him in the worst way, but again, the Bears have compensation problems. They have virtually no value on the offensive side of the ball (minus Forte, who isn't going anywhere). They have the 18th pick overall, which is a lot less than other teams in on the discussion.

Washington makes sense because of how poorly they go about acquiring non-drafted personnel (Portis is the only trade I can remember in the last 10 years worth a lick.) But because they are classic over-reachers, I could see them making a foolish offer, even though I think Campbell is still a solid young QB worth sticking with for another year or two.

Carolina makes a lot of sense because we all know Delhomme is done as a quality starter and they have a lot of talent they could consider moving.

I think its' going to be Tampa Bay or New York like you stated. I don't see Carolina in the mix at all. Jake had a decent season with a bad showing in the playoffs. Doesn't mean he's done. I think Carolina is going to look at a quarterback in the draft and groom him as being the replacement instead of all of a sudden axing out Jake for Cutler.

[bruin4life]

ESPN and NFLN are speculating that Washington could be a front-runner...


do they even have enough cap space?

NFL Live on ESPN said washington had a lot of money.

[Snake Plissken]

If the Skins somehow land Cutler then we need to propose some sort of weak trade for Colt Brennan (they won't be needing him anymore), everybody knows that kid will eventually replace Jason Cambell (aka the Mediocre train). -He was leading the board during pre-season in passing stats while working with the scrub squad.

[bruin4life]

I think the Browns land him. Quinn and Rogers for Cutler. Throw whatever picks in there, hell if I know the value.

Does make some sense. Plus Rogers has asked to be traded from Cleveland and they do need a big body in Denver.

[ninerman80]

Not in San Fran. Lions? Jets? Browns? Chiefs? Yes i said Chiefs again, trust me, they have a better shot than us. Cassel McDaniels reunion, Chiefs also offer third rounder to use somewhere else they have a huge hole, and they have plenty holes fellas.

It would strengthen their rivalry, shall I continue?????

[RedskinsFan86]

Well the 'Skins do love having next to no picks in the draft, and when they do have them they aren't exactly known for spending them wisely, so I suppose a trade for Cutler wouldn't surprise me.

I still say the Browns, though. Not really. We're pretty good with our first round picks over the past 5 years or so thanks. Jury's still out on our 2nd rounders for the most part. It's our 5th-7th round picks we're all over the place (like most teams though).

I'd be really, really surprised if the Skins traded for Cutler. I don't even really know how I'd feel about it. I suppose it would depend on what we would give up for him.

[RedskinsFan86]

No offense but over the last decade the only 2nd round pick that was really any good for the 'Skins was Fred Smoot. The only 3rd round pick during that same span worthy of note is Cooley. An argument can be made for Betts but he never became what they thought he'd be plus the addition of Portis kind of put him on the backburner.

And they are without a doubt well known to trade picks away; the number of times they've had at least one pick in each of the first three rounds in a draft over the past decade? Once in 2002. There's no denying that Snyder doesn't place as much value into picks as his peers. It's no coincidence that this trend started when he took over. I wouldn't disagree at all that the Skins' biggest problem has been trading away their picks. I've always said people get on their FA signings too much, the Skins aren't worse at signing street free agents than the majority of other teams, what kills them is the trading of picks in the middle rounds.

As for when the Skins have had those picks in the first three rounds, since 2000, they've gotten Landry, Rocky McIntosh in the 2nd (a solid young LB), Carlos Rogers, Campbell, Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, Derrick Dockery, Taylor Jacobs, Rashaud Bauman, Cliff Russell, Patrick Ramsey, Ladell Betts, Rod Gardner, and Smoot.

Of those guys, obviously the throw away players are Jacobs, Ramsey, Bauman, Russell and Gardner, and all of those guys outside of Gardner were picked under the awful Spurrier regime in 2002-2003. The rest are hard to complain about.

Jury's still out on our picks last year obviously.

Really though, if it comes down to trading for Cutler, I don't want to do if it costs the team an arm and a leg. I'm not even a huge Cutler fan, and I respect Campbell and his attitude towards the team and the city a lot and think he should probably get one more year considering the strides he took between 2007 and 2008, but we'll see I guess.

I have a feeling if the Skins are really making moves for Cutler, we'll all know by this time tomorrow.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

I wouldn't disagree at all that the Skins' biggest problem has been trading away their picks. I've always said people get on their FA signings too much, the Skins aren't worse at signing street free agents than the majority of other teams, what kills them is the trading of picks in the middle rounds.

As for when the Skins have had those picks in the first three rounds, since 2000, they've gotten Landry, Rocky McIntosh in the 2nd (a solid young LB), Carlos Rogers, Campbell, Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, Derrick Dockery, Taylor Jacobs, Rashaud Bauman, Cliff Russell, Patrick Ramsey, Ladell Betts, Rod Gardner, and Smoot.

Of those guys, obviously the throw away players are Jacobs, Ramsey, Bauman, Russell and Gardner, and all of those guys outside of Gardner were picked under the awful Spurrier regime in 2002-2003. The rest are hard to complain about.

Jury's still out on our picks last year obviously.

Really though, if it comes down to trading for Cutler, I don't want to do if it costs the team an arm and a leg. I'm not even a huge Cutler fan, and I respect Campbell and his attitude towards the team and the city a lot and think he should probably get one more year considering the strides he took between 2007 and 2008, but we'll see I guess.

I have a feeling if the Skins are really making moves for Cutler, we'll all know by this time tomorrow.

The Redskins are becoming the Yankees of the NFL... except the Yankees at least make the playoffs before choking.

[ZooYork]

It probably won't happen, but if Detroit could somehow pull off keeping the #1 and draft Eugene Monroe or Jason Smith then trade the #20 + a later pick for Cutler I'd say they've got a good shot at doing a complete 180.

[Snake Plissken]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4034863

It looks like the Broncos are turning down some of the "big players" making a run at Cutler (and some aren't even in the position to pay Cutler). Come on Scot, get this **** done.

Jed will definitely have to drop a hammer if Scot doesn't even try to make an offer.

[Juiced]

the 9ers should just get it done to get him

like we have a better option - sanchez, smith, and hill are not solutions

[dhiLL]

Jets make a ton of sense, but the rumors have been that the Redskins are the team really pushing hard to get him. We know they're willing to part with draft picks, so I can see that being the place.

[Tracker]

I am still saying the Lions. They are the only pick that really makes sense. Even at number 10 we are not a sure fire QB picks, as both 1st round QBs could be gone as early as the 4th pick or to the Jags at the 8th. That is a huge gamble when you don’t have a QB.

Everyone can rule trading Smith to Denver out because of Nolan so that leaves Hill or Huard to sweeten the pot? I am not feeling that at all. I think we will put out feelers but in the end the stakes are going to be way too high for us to be serious players.

At least a trade to the Lions ensures they can pick the QB Denver wants uncontested.

[Mullester]

Easy, Browns.

[Ness]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4034863

It looks like the Broncos are turning down some of the "big players" making a run at Cutler (and some aren't even in the position to pay Cutler). Come on Scot, get this **** done.

Jed will definitely have to drop a hammer if Scot doesn't even try to make an offer.The 49ers aren't getting Jay Cutler. Really, let the fantasy go. And what would the 49ers have to offer that is worth any value anyways?

[jwallace]

i think tampa bay they need him more then anybody.

[UtterlyHopeless]

So what does that make the Cowboys?
It makes them schitty.

[RedskinsFan86]

The Redskins are becoming the Yankees of the NFL... except the Yankees at least make the playoffs before choking. So what does that make the Cowboys?

[jackacid]

Some complications for some of the reported front-runners:

1. Detroit may not be able to afford the #1 overall contract PLUS a new deal that Cutler/Cook would almost certainly demand. No way Denver takes the #1 overall off their hands. Plus...would Cutler want to play for the Lions? I stuggle to believe so.

2. Same problem for Washington, they don't have the cap to support a new contract.

I'm unsure on Tampa's cap room...but the more I read, the more inclined I am to think Cutler could end up there....with another 32 year old rookie HC :laugh:

Also reading the Broncos are blocking communications between suitors and Cutler/Cook, which could really hold things up, as the suitors need to guage what Cutler is going to expect contract-wise. No one is going to make a big trade and then find out they don't have the cap to accommodate.

[bigPaco80]

the Redskins will over bid for him

[jackacid]

I missed that memo, there are not 10 QB's in the league i'd take over him. First year off tommy John surgery...what were we to expect?

You can't think of 10 QBs you'd take over Delhomme? Last time I checked, he's 34, has had major elbow surgery and just single-handedly forked over a gimme playoff game to the Cards in January.

If Carolina isn't planning for "life without Delhomme" at this point, I really pity their future.

[bruin4life]

Some complications for some of the reported front-runners:

1. Detroit may not be able to afford the #1 overall contract PLUS a new deal that Cutler/Cook would almost certainly demand. No way Denver takes the #1 overall off their hands. Plus...would Cutler want to play for the Lions? I stuggle to believe so.


While it is a complication regarding the contract issue, Jay really has no control. If denver and detroit agree to a trade I do not think Cutler has a no trade clause so he couldn't say no.

[Montana_Magic]

If Carolina isn't planning for "life without Delhomme" at this point, I really pity their future.

Calling someone done and thinking about the long-term future of a position are 2 different things. Delhomme is more than serviceable, especially when they have that running game going.

[NinersFanatic]

So what does that make the Cowboys?

A slightly more successful version of the Redskins?

[Ace Matherton]

Carolina makes a lot of sense because we all know Delhomme is done as a quality starter and they have a lot of talent they could consider moving.

I missed that memo, there are not 10 QB's in the league i'd take over him. First year off tommy John surgery...what were we to expect?

[XJUN10RX]

None of the above, Cutler to the Bears.

Uh the bears were an optino

[jackacid]

None of the above, Cutler to the Bears.

[jackacid]

Uh the bears were an optino

Oh crap, there were! Haha, you think I'd know my own poll better.

[49erRevival]

Can't believe I actually guessed right when I said Bears. Was just a wild guess.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

I chose the Bears, that's right mother ****ers go to hell. Suck a wang. **** yeah.

[lostnfound99]

I just voted bears. I WIN!!!!:)