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hle413

04-01-2009, 10:49 AM

pick up BEANIE WELLS AT #10!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-0mlHNP5u8

pay close attention at 4:04

-this guy will not only be the perfect compliment to gore, but he would be that reliable short yardage back we so desperately needed last year. If we cant get one of the top 3 OTs, Crabtree, or Orakpo.... I say take a chance and let Beanie tear up the Seattle, St Louis, and Arizona D!!! Thoughts? Opinions?

OsBoogie

04-01-2009, 10:54 AM

really... you sign up to make this thread?

hle413

04-01-2009, 11:10 AM

Another draft beanie thread...... For 1 he will make more than Frank to be his backup for 2... thats a big enough #1....
idea make a new name so your first post will be a better one

Your argument is flawed.. very flawed. No matter who we pick at #10, they'll be getting paid more than the #1 on our team. We should pick the best player on the board no matter how much they might get paid, not who we can get at a price that would be fair within our current roster. Half of the first round picks this year will get paid more than the veterans they'll be playing along side with.

Idea. Try again.

superman1

04-01-2009, 11:11 AM

Your argument is flawed.. very flawed. No matter who we pick at #10, they'll be getting paid more than the #1 on our team. We should pick the best player on the board no matter how much they might get paid, not who we can get at a price that would be fair within our current roster. Half of the first round picks this year will get paid more than the veterans they'll be playing along side with.

Idea. Try again.man pay no attention to these knuckle heads on here, they only are trying to rattle your cage.:pards:

beasley for pres

04-01-2009, 11:14 AM

LOL at 2:57.

homer

LottdownD42

04-01-2009, 11:26 AM

Frank and Beans!

OsBoogie

04-01-2009, 11:34 AM

Your argument is flawed.. very flawed. No matter who we pick at #10, they'll be getting paid more than the #1 on our team. We should pick the best player on the board no matter how much they might get paid, not who we can get at a price that would be fair within our current roster. Half of the first round picks this year will get paid more than the veterans they'll be playing along side with.

Idea. Try again.

I assume anyone we draft at #10 is someone we are banking on being our #1 at their position though...

hle413

04-01-2009, 11:39 AM

I assume anyone we draft at #10 is someone we are banking on being our #1 at their position though...

If we are drafting by need, yea your right. But I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that Sing said we're drafting the best player on the board, regardless of position. It would be great if the best player on the board was also a position of need... for example at WR with Crabtree.

OsBoogie

04-01-2009, 11:41 AM

If we are drafting by need, yea your right. But I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that Sing said we're drafting the best player on the board, regardless of position. It would be great if the best player on the board was also a position of need... for example at WR with Crabtree.

anybody drafted at #10 would be #1 at their position (at least in the near future) except for RB

superman1

04-01-2009, 11:43 AM

no matter who we draft at #10, they will not make more than Frank Gore. what does everybody think the #10 pick in the draft will make per year, because i see this as an argument all the time. im guessing in the area of 3 million per year. Willis makes about 2.5 million per year, and he was a #11 pick.if any rookie comes to us and he makes more than Gore and P-Willi, then my friend we got ourselves a serious problem some where, they have both been the back bone to our team since being here.:banghead:

superman1

04-01-2009, 11:52 AM

The 10th pick will definitely make more than our 11th pick of two years ago.

But when Willis' rookie contract expires in 2011, he's due for a huge pay day. Or maybe he'll ask for a bigger salary before it expires, I dunno.or maybe he'll opt out and try the FA market and see what he's really worth out there, besides if we aren't PO caliber by then, then how could you possibly blame him if he wanted out of here and chances are he's a goner.

hot97x

04-01-2009, 12:06 PM

Another draft beanie thread...... For 1 he will make more than Frank to be his backup for 2... thats a big enough #1....
idea make a new name so your first post will be a better one

no matter who we draft at #10, they will not make more than Frank Gore. what does everybody think the #10 pick in the draft will make per year, because i see this as an argument all the time. im guessing in the area of 3 million per year. Willis makes about 2.5 million per year, and he was a #11 pick.

Nelson

04-01-2009, 12:12 PM

Frank and Beans!

:laugh:

NinersFanatic

04-01-2009, 12:18 PM

if any rookie comes to us and he makes more than Gore and P-Willi, then my friend we got ourselves a serious problem some where, they have both been the back bone to our team since being here.:banghead:

The 10th pick will definitely make more than our 11th pick of two years ago.

But when Willis' rookie contract expires in 2011, he's due for a huge pay day. Or maybe he'll ask for a bigger salary before it expires, I dunno.

bruin4life

04-01-2009, 12:47 PM

VideInfra49

04-01-2009, 01:09 PM

LottdownD42

04-01-2009, 01:10 PM

hle413

04-01-2009, 01:22 PM

whats more important.. money or production? if you say money, then i guess we should trade back no matter who is on the board! If production, you make a decision based on who is at 10 and if they make the team better.. If you see the same kind of production being there later then trade back! It should never be based on money, esp when we have great cap situation and if all goes well we wont be picking top 10 again!

I couldn't have said it any better. Money is a factor but its not the end all be all. So going back to BAY#1 49ER FAN's argument, should we not draft a player solely on the fact that they may get paid more than the starter? Even if its Frank Gore? My answer to that question is.... if its worth it. And I think Beanie Wells is worth it. I'm not saying that Beanie is better than Gore. Players being overpaid has become the norm in the NFL. It's nearly impossible to pay everyone in the NFL their true fair market value. So being "unfair" is not a valid argument.

hle413

04-01-2009, 01:25 PM

because we have Gore

I don't believe you can draft in that mindset. Gore is good but you can't justify that as a reason to pass up on an RB. Chester Taylor was doing wonders for the vikings before they drafted Adrian Peterson. Cowboys hit gold with Felix Jones even when they had Marion Barber. Deuce was still in his prime when Saints got Bush.

Pnkpnther16

04-01-2009, 01:25 PM

Id rather take a few backs before Beans. Hes number 3 or 4 on my list

OsBoogie

04-01-2009, 01:25 PM

Why not RB?

because we have Gore

hle413

04-01-2009, 01:28 PM

anybody drafted at #10 would be #1 at their position (at least in the near future) except for RB

Why not RB?

Ace Matherton

04-01-2009, 02:22 PM

Tough to have a power run game when your on the bench or in the training room. Wells wont be BPA @ 10 it is sure as hell isnt a need.

Kenage

04-01-2009, 02:37 PM

I do not think we will look at a RB until the 3rd round.

OsBoogie

04-01-2009, 04:20 PM

I don't believe you can draft in that mindset. Gore is good but you can't justify that as a reason to pass up on an RB. Chester Taylor was doing wonders for the vikings before they drafted Adrian Peterson. Cowboys hit gold with Felix Jones even when they had Marion Barber. Deuce was still in his prime when Saints got Bush.

this makes no sense... Gore is far better than Chester Taylor... everyone knew Adrian was far better than Chester... Chester wasn't a franchise RB....

Barber had Julius there and they were replacing him late in the 1st

and Bush was supposedly the best prospect in that class

Beans isn't a top 10 talent and not even the best RB on a lot of people's boards

your arguments are really vague and hardly fit what we're tallking about...

we are looking for a 2nd RB to help Gore... but if there are 2 people on this team which we are NOT looking to replace it's Gore and Willis

OsBoogie

04-02-2009, 08:49 AM

I never said any of those players were better than Gore. I was using Chester/Peterson, Barber/Felix, and Duece/Bush as a rebuttal to your argument that we shouldn't look into drafting an RB in the first round. Those teams drafted an RB in the first round when their RB situation was fine and it worked out for them. If you dont agree with my examples, lets break each one down...

I agree with you that Chester Taylor is no franchise RB. But how many teams can say they have one? Before Peterson was drafted, Chester was the 9th leading rusher in the league. And you can't say that everyone knew Peterson was going to be that good. NO ONE knew he was going to be this good. He would have been drafted first instead of seventh if everyone knew. Before being drafted, he was criticized for never finishing a whole season in college and not having the prototypical RB rushing posture NFL RBs usually have (running with your back straight). So I think a reasonable person would think that having the 9th best rusher in the league is good enough. But they drafted an Peterson anyway and turned out good for them.

If I can remember, Julius Jones feel out of favor with the team and the O-Line didn't like blocking for him as much as they did for Barber. It was pretty clear that Barber was one of the best RB's in 2007. I think that he could have easily been a dominate full-time RB. But they drafted an Felix Jones anyway and turned out good for them.

Bush did not turn out as expected but he is a major contributor to that offense. Deuce was fine as their featured RB despite being injured the year prior to Bush being drafted. I'll admit, this isn't as good of an example as the other two.

Regarding your second point, I don't think we are looking for JUST a 2nd RB to help Gore. From what I'm reading from all of these blogs and from what Sing has said, we are going to a two-back system... which most likely means Gore will get about 18-20 carries and the other RB will get 13-15.

So to summarize everything up... We should look into drafting an Beanie Wells at #10 if the usual suspects (curry, top #3 OL, crabtree, etc.) are off the board. Why? Because I think he's worth it and arguments about getting paid more than gore, or that gore is good enough, doesn't work. Players get paid unfairly everywhere in the league, 49ers are not immune to this. Gore is good but according to Sing, not good enough to run the ball 25-30 times a game. **** I did not expect to write out a term paper about this. Haha.

1. Chester is not a proven starter on his own and never was when they drafted AP... Gore is.. and AP was a top prospect that slid. Beanie would be a reach at 10. HUGE difference

2. regardless of Julius falling out of favor Barber was always splitting carries. Gore doesn't. plus the Felix Jones pick was late not at 10

3. again Bush was supposed to be the best player. Beans is NOT... Duece was old and had an injury history... not close to our situation with Gore

none of your comparisons compare to having Gore and reaching for a back at #10... not at all

OsBoogie

04-02-2009, 08:57 AM

Forgot to address this... Why don't you think hes a top 10 talent? Is it because Mel Kiper or McShay said he wasn't?

it's because he gets injured frequently and runs out of gas during games all the time... it's because their are more than 10 prospects that are better then him... it's because there is 1 maybe 2 RB's that are better than him...

maybe all those reasons are why **** near every scout says he isn't... Mel and McShay aren't the only ones...

hle413

04-02-2009, 09:01 AM

this makes no sense... Gore is far better than Chester Taylor... everyone knew Adrian was far better than Chester... Chester wasn't a franchise RB....

Barber had Julius there and they were replacing him late in the 1st

and Bush was supposedly the best prospect in that class

Beans isn't a top 10 talent and not even the best RB on a lot of people's boards

your arguments are really vague and hardly fit what we're tallking about...

we are looking for a 2nd RB to help Gore... but if there are 2 people on this team which we are NOT looking to replace it's Gore and Willis

I never said any of those players were better than Gore. I was using Chester/Peterson, Barber/Felix, and Duece/Bush as a rebuttal to your argument that we shouldn't look into drafting an RB in the first round. Those teams drafted an RB in the first round when their RB situation was fine and it worked out for them. If you dont agree with my examples, lets break each one down...

I agree with you that Chester Taylor is no franchise RB. But how many teams can say they have one? Before Peterson was drafted, Chester was the 9th leading rusher in the league. And you can't say that everyone knew Peterson was going to be that good. NO ONE knew he was going to be this good. He would have been drafted first instead of seventh if everyone knew. Before being drafted, he was criticized for never finishing a whole season in college and not having the prototypical RB rushing posture NFL RBs usually have (running with your back straight). So I think a reasonable person would think that having the 9th best rusher in the league is good enough. But they drafted an Peterson anyway and turned out good for them.

If I can remember, Julius Jones feel out of favor with the team and the O-Line didn't like blocking for him as much as they did for Barber. It was pretty clear that Barber was one of the best RB's in 2007. I think that he could have easily been a dominate full-time RB. But they drafted an Felix Jones anyway and turned out good for them.

Bush did not turn out as expected but he is a major contributor to that offense. Deuce was fine as their featured RB despite being injured the year prior to Bush being drafted. I'll admit, this isn't as good of an example as the other two.

Regarding your second point, I don't think we are looking for JUST a 2nd RB to help Gore. From what I'm reading from all of these blogs and from what Sing has said, we are going to a two-back system... which most likely means Gore will get about 18-20 carries and the other RB will get 13-15.

So to summarize everything up... We should look into drafting an Beanie Wells at #10 if the usual suspects (curry, top #3 OL, crabtree, etc.) are off the board. Why? Because I think he's worth it and arguments about getting paid more than gore, or that gore is good enough, doesn't work. Players get paid unfairly everywhere in the league, 49ers are not immune to this. Gore is good but according to Sing, not good enough to run the ball 25-30 times a game. **** I did not expect to write out a term paper about this. Haha.

hle413

04-02-2009, 09:12 AM

Beans isn't a top 10 talent and not even the best RB on a lot of people's boards

Forgot to address this... Why don't you think hes a top 10 talent? Is it because Mel Kiper or McShay said he wasn't?

hle413

04-02-2009, 09:28 AM

1. Chester is not a proven starter on his own and never was when they drafted AP... Gore is.. and AP was a top prospect that slid. Beanie would be a reach at 10. HUGE difference

2. regardless of Julius falling out of favor Barber was always splitting carries. Gore doesn't. plus the Felix Jones pick was late not at 10

3. again Bush was supposed to be the best player. Beans is NOT... Duece was old and had an injury history... not close to our situation with Gore

none of your comparisons compare to having Gore and reaching for a back at #10... not at all

Those examples were not meant to say Beanie was better than Gore. It was a rebuttal to your argument that we shouldnt draft an RB. I think that your taking my examples too literally. Those are just mere examples of teams that had an established running game and made improvements on it by drafting an RB. What I'm saying is we have an established running game and we can improve on it. Your really talking as if Bush is our lord and savior. As much of a fan as I am, I'm a realist... and Gore is not THAT GOOD. He's had one breakout year and has a lot more to prove.

hle413

04-02-2009, 09:39 AM

it's because he gets injured frequently and runs out of gas during games all the time... it's because their are more than 10 prospects that are better then him... it's because there is 1 maybe 2 RB's that are better than him...

maybe all those reasons are why **** near every scout says he isn't... Mel and McShay aren't the only ones...

As I mentioned earlier, Adrian Peterson got injured frequently in college and look at him. Gore blew out both knees in college and look at him. Yea there are probably 10 better players than him according to these scouts but nobody really knows. These are the same scouts that overlooked Marques Colston, James Harrison, Jeff Saturday, Josh Morgan (give it a couple of years for that one)...

OsBoogie

04-02-2009, 09:41 AM

Those examples were not meant to say Beanie was better than Gore. It was a rebuttal to your argument that we shouldnt draft an RB. I think that your taking my examples too literally. Those are just mere examples of teams that had an established running game and made improvements on it by drafting an RB. What I'm saying is we have an established running game and we can improve on it. Your really talking as if Bush is our lord and savior. As much of a fan as I am, I'm a realist... and Gore is not THAT GOOD. He's had one breakout year and has a lot more to prove.

you have to take examples literally when trying to compare situations... otherwise the comparison doesn't work like in this particular case... Beans is not the type of prospect Bush or AP were... we are not drafting late like the Cowboys drafted Felix...

Gore needs the help... but we likely won't get a player that is better than Gore in this draft... and the fact that we CAN and likely WILL get a player better than the starter at any other position on the team makes more sense to do that

I want a RB... and early... I'd drop back in the 1st... I'd take one in the 2nd or 3rd...

but I would not reach for Beans... at least give me Moreno

As I mentioned earlier, Adrian Peterson got injured frequently in college and look at him. Gore blew out both knees in college and look at him. Yea there are probably 10 better players than him according to these scouts but nobody really knows. These are the same scouts that overlooked Marques Colston, James Harrison, Jeff Saturday, Josh Morgan (give it a couple of years for that one)...

AP's injuries were of freakish nature... and he was a much better prospect... you think Beans is on that level? lol

that's great and all that you can list guys who got missed but you aren't going to reach for a guy just because guys in the past were overlooked...

Twolf75

04-02-2009, 09:58 AM

idc who we get at 10 as long as he's actually the BPA

OsBoogie

04-02-2009, 10:28 AM

Your missing my point. Earlier you said.. we shouldnt get ANY RB's because Gore was good enough. I said we should and I used those examples as why. Just because we have an established running game doesnt mean we shouldnt consider addressing it with the 10th pick. Again, those teams had an established running game and still addressed it with their first pick and it worked out for them in more ways than not.

Also, I dont buy into that "type of prospect" BS. Lets use last year as an example... Darran McFadden was a huge prospect but he didnt turn out as well as people might of thought while Steve Slaton and Matt Forte were taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Yea this is true if we were drafting by needs. But we are drafting by the best player on the board. So hypothetically... if Aaron Curry fell to us, were getting him despite having Willis and Spikes.

Your missing the point again. I'm not comparing injuries. Earlier you said Beanie isnt a top prospect because of his injuries.. then i said well look at AP and Gore. Now your steering the argument by saying APs injuries were worse than Beanies.. which is not what we were even talking about. I'm saying that injuries in college don't indicate a players success in the NFL.

Why not?

no... I'm saying at 10 we better get someone BETTER than Gore or any position for that matter

you're really asking me why not reach? lol

forget it... lol

SourdoughSam49

04-02-2009, 10:46 AM

Depending on Marvel Smith, we should go after Knoshon or Harvin for the wild cat

hle413

04-02-2009, 10:53 AM

you have to take examples literally when trying to compare situations... otherwise the comparison doesn't work like in this particular case... Beans is not the type of prospect Bush or AP were... we are not drafting late like the Cowboys drafted Felix...

Your missing my point. Earlier you said.. we shouldnt get ANY RB's because Gore was good enough. I said we should and I used those examples as why. Just because we have an established running game doesnt mean we shouldnt consider addressing it with the 10th pick. Again, those teams had an established running game and still addressed it with their first pick and it worked out for them in more ways than not.

Also, I dont buy into that "type of prospect" BS. Lets use last year as an example... Darran McFadden was a huge prospect but he didnt turn out as well as people might of thought while Steve Slaton and Matt Forte were taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Gore needs the help... but we likely won't get a player that is better than Gore in this draft... and the fact that we CAN and likely WILL get a player better than the starter at any other position on the team makes more sense to do that

Yea this is true if we were drafting by needs. But we are drafting by the best player on the board. So hypothetically... if Aaron Curry fell to us, were getting him despite having Willis and Spikes.

AP's injuries were of freakish nature... and he was a much better prospect... you think Beans is on that level? lol

Your missing the point again. I'm not comparing injuries. Earlier you said Beanie isnt a top prospect because of his injuries.. then i said well look at AP and Gore. Now your steering the argument by saying APs injuries were worse than Beanies.. which is not what we were even talking about. I'm saying that injuries in college don't indicate a players success in the NFL.

that's great and all that you can list guys who got missed but you aren't going to reach for a guy just because guys in the past were overlooked...

Why not?

hle413

04-02-2009, 11:07 AM

no... I'm saying at 10 we better get someone BETTER than Gore or any position for that matter

I dont agree but I understand what your saying.

you're really asking me why not reach? lol

forget it... lol

Im not disagreeing with you. I just want to know if you can back up what your saying.

OsBoogie

04-02-2009, 12:29 PM

For someone who criticized this thread so much... you sure are interested in this topic.

I was trying to show you how dumb it was... then I realized even that was too hard to teach you

hle413

04-02-2009, 12:53 PM

really... you sign up to make this thread?

For someone who criticized this thread so much... you sure are interested in this topic.

hle413

04-02-2009, 12:57 PM

I was trying to show you how dumb it was... then I realized even that was too hard to teach you

How hard it was to teach me what?

hle413

04-02-2009, 01:11 PM

NinersFanatic

04-02-2009, 01:21 PM

So how is this thread dumb? Because getting an Beanie Wells at #10 is dumb? The only reasons you gave me is because he got injured in college and he runs out of breath. I addressed your injury argument and being the out of breath can be fixed through simple conditioning. Give me more reasons and I'll address every one of them.

Knowshon Moreno is cuter.

Also, RB isn't an immediate need. It's also easier to get a good running back in the later rounds than it is with almost any other position. I mean, Gore was a 3rd rounder.

hle413

04-02-2009, 01:29 PM

Knowshon Moreno is cuter.

Also, RB isn't an immediate need. It's also easier to get a good running back in the later rounds than it is with almost any other position. I mean, Gore was a 3rd rounder.

Yeah RB isnt an immediate need but as I said earlier.. we're drafting "the best guy on the board". And I think if the usual suspects are gone, Beanie would be the best and we should take him. There isnt a lot of depth at RB this year.... well compared to last year at least. Eh, I dont really like Knowshon as much as Beanie. I think Beanies phyiscality will translate better in the NFL.

NinersFanatic

04-02-2009, 01:39 PM

Yeah RB isnt an immediate need but as I said earlier.. we're drafting "the best guy on the board". And I think if the usual suspects are gone, Beanie would be the best and we should take him. There isnt a lot of depth at RB this year.... well compared to last year at least. Eh, I dont really like Knowshon as much as Beanie. I think Beanies phyiscality will translate better in the NFL.

I wouldn't kill myself if it happened but it seems more of a luxury pick a team like the Eagles could afford to make but not us because we have far more needs than HB.

PapiChulo81

04-02-2009, 01:53 PM

i'd rather have Frank "The Tank" Summers (UNLV) in a later round. He's a power run beast.

49ersPhEnOm

04-02-2009, 03:41 PM

Y the F do they call him beanie?

Twolf75

04-02-2009, 05:25 PM

Yeah RB isnt an immediate need but as I said earlier.. we're drafting "the best guy on the board". And I think if the usual suspects are gone, Beanie would be the best and we should take him. There isnt a lot of depth at RB this year.... well compared to last year at least. Eh, I dont really like Knowshon as much as Beanie. I think Beanies phyiscality will translate better in the NFL.
so you believe beanie will be the BPA? what if raji is there?

hle413

04-02-2009, 07:05 PM

so you believe beanie will be the BPA? what if raji is there?

That would be a tough one.. The fan in me would say Beanie.. but my gut says Raji. I'd stick to my guns and go with Beanie.

Twolf75

04-02-2009, 11:42 PM

That would be a tough one.. The fan in me would say Beanie.. but my gut says Raji. I'd stick to my guns and go with Beanie. so you'd take beanie over raji? (just want to know)

hle413

04-03-2009, 08:59 AM

so you'd take beanie over raji? (just want to know)

I know it may be unpopular... but yea i would. If it was really up to those two players.. I would go with drafting by needs which I think RB is a higher need than a DT. BEFORE EVERYONE GOES CRAZY HEAR ME OUT. Our backup RBs have been Hicks, Robinson, Foster. Need I say more? We need 2 good RBs for the 2-back system to work and I think Beanies physicality would fit Sings vision of a power running game.

Twolf75

04-03-2009, 10:02 AM

I know it may be unpopular... but yea i would. If it was really up to those two players.. I would go with drafting by needs which I think RB is a higher need than a DT. BEFORE EVERYONE GOES CRAZY HEAR ME OUT. Our backup RBs have been Hicks, Robinson, Foster. Need I say more? We need 2 good RBs for the 2-back system to work and I think Beanies physicality would fit Sings vision of a power running game. well i like your opinion, but i believe NT is much more of a need, but still if wells is there and there's no one else then why not take him...........I'm very interested in who will actually be there at our pick though we could go in so many directions