Cutler 2 Bear!!!

[NY2ThaBay08]

just seen it on espn....

[SFdiehard]

Was this another april 1st joke????

[NinersFanatic]

Hmmm... I kind of liked Orton.

[XJUN10RX]

Go to NFL.com, it has a big banner saying this is true

[NY2ThaBay08]

good for Da Bears....

[XJUN10RX]

Already posted lol

[rathman53]

******* the Bears are ****ing stupid. Denver just robbed them. Who hell is he going to throw too? LMAO

[NinerFaithful81]

Wow, I wouldn't have guessed the Bears. I know alot of peeps in Chicago are probably cr@pping their pants right now, they haven't had a decent QB in friggin years.

[XJUN10RX]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

[NinerFaithful81]

The Donks just got two first round picks over the next two years and also got a somewhat decent insurance policy in Orton as QB. Though I'm not much of an Orton fan, it really is far too much and I'm glad the Niners passed.

[94949'er]

good move for the bears. plus it keeps the vikes out and probably forces DET to pick stafford.

[SFdiehard]

NO WR's but wow a huge move for the Bears..... Since I started watching football 20 years ago the bears have never had a QB worth talking about! Jerry Angelo never makes a big splash so this is really shocking news.......

[NinerCubBoiler]

Thats too bad I thought Orton was really coming into his own in Chicago.

[NinersFanatic]

Sad we didn't try something like this, Another season of Flounding Ducks.

I like Cutler too but with one of those 1st rounds picks we'd be forced to give up, we can still draft a quarterback. It's not impossible to draft a franchise quarterback ya know.

Oh, and Bears are still the 3rd best team in the North. Teehee.

[prospector]

A Pro-Bowl QB just entering the peak of his career is up for grabs only once in a generation. I sure am glad that the 49ers would rather build through the draft......so it had better be a **** good one, with results SOON, or McCough needs to be tarred, feathered, and run the **** out of here on a rail.

In other words, given their very mediocre recent draft history, the 9ers dropped the ball again until they prove otherwise.

[94949'er]

Honestly the Bears didn't give up nearly as much as you would think to get the deal done. 18th pick this year is nothing compared to what people thought it'd take (Top 10 picks) and a 1st round pick next year that will likely be again in the bottom half of the draft isn't the end of the world. And Orton is...well, yeah. Great move by the Bears. If they add some talent at receiver via the draft they could be extremely dangerous.

not to mention Angelo has a poor track record with #1's. he was probably going to screw at least one of them up anyways.

[Blue Bird]

So much for the Redskins LAWL.

Can't you just see it now? Jason Campbell saying "The Redskins wanted to replace me as the starter and that hurts my feelings so now I want to be traded!!"

Let the QB crying continue!!

[NinersFanatic]

This could still benefit us. The broncos will target Sanchez in the draft. They have alot of ammo to move up. If Sanchez falls to us, we could trade down and maybe get there 2 1st round picks. The only way this deal doesn't get done is if the 9ers are smitten with someone at #10 or the Jags take sanchez at #8.

They pick 12th though... why would they give up very much just to move up 2 spots?

I guess our best bet is to fake interest in Sanchez like there's no tomorrow!

[MontereyNiner]

That makes their team much better next year. He just wont have too many targets besides hester and forte.
They also traded their 3rd this year and will get Denver's 5th this year

[NinersFanatic]

Maybe.........his stock is moving way up though. He'd be the #1 ovr pick if he waited a year. I think he'll be gone by #8 or Den trades up with cinci or someone and get him

Why not stack up on defense with those picks? It's not like Orton is complete crap mode. With the Broncos' receivers, he could excel.

[Juiced]

angelo is a terrible drafter - i think he made the best decision to trade 2 first rounders

lets see
benson
grossman
columbo
hayes

the only one still on the team is greg olson - bears reached to get him but this is their best 1st round draft pick since urlacher

[Montana to Rice]

Just confirmed on nfl network

for 18th overall this year
1st rd 2010
and Kyle Orton
and bears 3rd rd pick

for
Broncos 5th
Jay cutler

[49ermanic1]

Wow, So Kyle Orton is going to start in Denver lol!

[The Jerm!]

So much for the Redskins LAWL.

[Dem40Boyz]

they don't have any WR's hahahahahahahaha the bears are still going to be sorry. but it true not a april fools joke.

[The Jerm!]

Was this another april 1st joke????

It was on NFL Network per what people are saying. How can it be?

[TheWiz]

Didn't the Bears draft a TE recently? Some guy who had 54 catches and 500+ yards in his second season for the team with 5 TDs? Olson is a TE without a decent QB for a while now and his '08 performance at least matches our own Davis's '07 performance.

It's true they don't have a WR, but it's not like they're probably not going to now heavily consider going after any of the guys on the FA market.

Mark Clayton, Keary Colbert, Ron Curry, DJ Hackett, Marvin Harrison, Ike Hilliard, Torry Holt, Dane Looker, Shaun McDonald, Justin McCareins, Jerry Porter, Amani Toomer are just a few of the names of guys still unsigned.

Personally why they don't make a hard line effort to get Holt (He's 33, has 3-4 good years left in him. Never had a big injury, had 8 straight 1k+ seasons before last year's lack of support debacle) now and probably someone who can compete as a #2 like a Curry, Hilliard or Porter for a short-term deal. Plus, CHI does have a 3rd rounder from last year to develop and if they add a 2nd-4th rounder from this season to the mix, they can put together a stable offense.

[masterwael]

Just saw this on breaking news on the ticker on BSPN while watching around the horn. No details were added. They are going to talk about it at 3pm on sportscenter.

GO NINERS

[Dem40Boyz]

already posted in the NFL forum.

[JDinSactown]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOO.


Owned.

[Montana to Rice]

It was on NFL Network per what people are saying. How can it be?

I have no idea. 2 1st rounders and Kyle Orton? That's a steep price plus a couple late round picks were thrown in there. Price was 2 steep for the 9ers in my mind. What do you think Jerm?

[The Jerm!]

I have no idea. 2 1st rounders and Kyle Orton? That's a steep price plus a couple late round picks were thrown in there. Price was 2 steep for the 9ers in my mind. What do you think Jerm?

Sad we didn't try something like this, Another season of Flounding Ducks.

[bionic3]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

[Brianff49ers]

Gave a lot to get him. Bear fan will want INSTANT results!! Good luck Cutler!!

[Samson jR 80818]

Steep price but well worth it for a franchise qb. IMO

[SanFanSince5]

Good, at least everybody can quit the threads about him coming here. YAY.

[Montana to Rice]

Sad we didn't try something like this, Another season of Flounding Ducks.

Yeah, i don't get it either. Here's a franchise qb ready to instantly make a team a contender. And.......if Singletary fails, Shanahan is reunited with Cutler and the 9ers are a good team to play for again. I wish we could've found a way to make it happen.

Well, another season of Hill v. Smith

[jackacid]

Wow, So Kyle Orton is going to start in Denver lol!

Simms might still, trust me.

[birdman7389]

Yeah, i don't get it either. Here's a franchise qb ready to instantly make a team a contender. And.......if Singletary fails, Shanahan is reunited with Cutler and the 9ers are a good team to play for again. I wish we could've found a way to make it happen.

Well, another season of Hill v. Smith
No way. You would trade hill, this years 1st, a 3rd, and next years first for Cutler?


No effing way.

[9erguy4life]

Thank god we donthave to hear him whine any more

[TX Niner Fan]

I have no idea. 2 1st rounders and Kyle Orton? That's a steep price plus a couple late round picks were thrown in there. Price was 2 steep for the 9ers in my mind. What do you think Jerm?

I agree the price was to steep for the Niners, but the Bears got a steal in my opinion. The Bears have the 18 over all pick in this years draft (mid round pick). If jay is better than Kyle then the Bears should be picking later than 18 in next years draft.
Advantage Bears.

[masterwael]

They sure did. I wouldn't mind keeping one of our potential starting QBs (Hill or Smith) and two first round picks. It's a fire and ice with Cutler IMO it is either going to work out and the Bears will be a solid team, or the drama will continue and it will eventually hurt the bears as they fall apart just as the Broncos did at the end of their last 2 regular seasons.

[pick-ups]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/125092/jay_cutler.jpg

[GoodfellaDave]

Well, I wanted Cutler on the 9ers but can't get to upset about not getting him because we couldn't compete with that offer. We could have given them the 2 first rounders but couldn't match the serviceable QB Denver was also looking for.

[TheWileyVet]

Bears should be on the phone with Tory Holt and Marvin Harrison's agents right about now

QFT

Who is Cutler going to throw to? The Bears should really take a look at Tory Holt, he's got some good productive years left.

[XJUN10RX]

hmmm

[Tracker]

I wonder if Denver is going parlay theses additional picks and move up in the draft to get a QB. Bears made a solid move if they can draft a good WR or two this year it can really pay off.

[Montana to Rice]

Sad we didn't try something like this, Another season of Flounding Ducks.

This could still benefit us. The broncos will target Sanchez in the draft. They have alot of ammo to move up. If Sanchez falls to us, we could trade down and maybe get there 2 1st round picks. The only way this deal doesn't get done is if the 9ers are smitten with someone at #10 or the Jags take sanchez at #8.

[XJUN10RX]

If i was the bears i would pick up Holt and harrison.


Holt----hester------000OLINE000-Olson--------Harrison
------------------ -----Cutler---------------------

------------------- -----Forte------------------

Hmmm seems like a pretty good offense to me.. This could work for 2-3 years until they have draft picks again

[Montana to Rice]

No way. You would trade hill, this years 1st, a 3rd, and next years first for Cutler?


No effing way.

I would have to think about it but a franchise qb is hard to come by. There not falling off trees. Our #10, it would prolly be a late 1st round pick next year, a 3rd rounder this year, and sean Hill? I say get it done even though i think we could win with Hill. Cutler puts you in position to win a championship. With our D, and our running game we would instantly be favorites in the nfc west with this move.

The Jets drove up the price to from what i hear

[outlawmann]

Holy crap. Cutler isnt that good to give up consecutive first round picks, a third round pick and crap bag Kyle Orton. If that is what it took to get Cutler then I for one am glad we passed on him!

[XJUN10RX]

how did my past end up on page 6 when i just posted it?

[Snake Plissken]

Yay, Alex Smith is going to be our future. -Let's all play Russian Roulette now.

[Montana_Magic]

Smart trade by Denver. You stick Cutler on a team with a lackluster Wr corp and a spot where the QB throw 18 tds and 12 ints last year. This year Cutler will be under the scope because of the incident and if he doens't measure to the hype he's got, Denver looks better.

[Montana to Rice]

I wonder if Denver is going parlay theses additional picks and move up in the draft to get a QB. Bears made a solid move if they can draft a good WR or two this year it can really pay off.

thats exactly what there gonna do

[killadelphia]

Maybe.........his stock is moving way up though. He'd be the #1 ovr pick if he waited a year. I think he'll be gone by #8 or Den trades up with cinci or someone and get him

denver is clearly rebuilding so there is no rush to get a qb right now especially since they got kyle orton. they need to rebuild their front 7 and they need to get bigger on the oline.

they do have 2 1st round picks next year so there is no rush to get a qb this year because they traded cutler.

[Tracker]

I have an account on the Broncos MB. I pop on when the 49ers and Broncos play or when our paths cross. I am trying to get on to peep what their fans are saying and that MB is log jammed right now.

Kind of like when we win a game. :laugh:

[Montana to Rice]

Or maybe we keep Sanchez to ourselves.

Maybe.........his stock is moving way up though. He'd be the #1 ovr pick if he waited a year. I think he'll be gone by #8 or Den trades up with cinci or someone and get him

[WhistlingMtn]

Maybe.........his stock is moving way up though. He'd be the #1 ovr pick if he waited a year. I think he'll be gone by #8 or Den trades up with cinci or someone and get him

Not gonna happen.

[CSRKing15]

with what the Bears gave up Im glad the niners didnt do it...that was way to much....dont get me wrong he is a good QB...but he is not worth 2 first round picks AND a 3rd....Bears must have forgotten they dont have a #1 WR.

[Montana to Rice]

I have an account on the Broncos MB. I pop on when the 49ers and Broncos play or when our paths cross. I am trying to get on to peep what their fans are saying and that MB is log jammed right now.

Kind of like when we win a game. :laugh:

LMFAO good stuff

[SBbound49ers]

Brandon marshalls fantasy value FTL

[danz49r]

with what the Bears gave up Im glad the niners didnt do it...that was way to much....dont get me wrong he is a good QB...but he is not worth 2 first round picks AND a 3rd....Bears must have forgotten they dont have a #1 WR.

It will be worth it if he gets them to the Super Bowl in one of the next two years.

[Montana to Rice]

A Pro-Bowl QB just entering the peak of his career is up for grabs only once in a generation. I sure am glad that the 49ers would rather build through the draft......so it had better be a **** good one, with results SOON, or McCough needs to be tarred, feathered, and run the **** out of here on a rail.

In other words, given their very mediocre recent draft history, the 9ers dropped the ball again until they prove otherwise.

I agree. All fairness to Mcloughlin he's been in charge for only the last 2 years in player personell. But yeah if we have anything less than a 9-7 season I'll tar and feather him myself.

[surftech]

Finally all this BS is over with

[KansasNinerFan]

my God they gave up a lot for him. Broncos did just fine getting that much for a QB that didn't want to be there.

[jackacid]

I have an account on the Broncos MB. I pop on when the 49ers and Broncos play or when our paths cross. I am trying to get on to peep what their fans are saying and that MB is log jammed right now.

Kind of like when we win a game. :laugh:

They are furious with McDaniels....they are pissed about Orton.

But hey, if I'm a Denver fan, I'm pretty happy about the 2 first rounders. I didn't expect Denver to actually get that from anyone.

[jackacid]

Brandon marshalls fantasy value FTL

No doubt...that was the ONE perk about the Warner deal falling though....Fitz is on my keeper team :laugh:

[Montana to Rice]

They are furious with McDaniels....they are pissed about Orton.

But hey, if I'm a Denver fan, I'm pretty happy about the 2 first rounders. I didn't expect Denver to actually get that from anyone.

True, they got a hell of a deal. I mean now it could be Mcdaniels team, not shanahans.

[Montana to Rice]

No doubt...that was the ONE perk about the Warner deal falling though....Fitz is on my keeper team :laugh:

That's why i hate fantasy LOL your actually rooting against YOUR team because of your fantasy team LOL

[Ace Matherton]

Why would you bring a gunslinger to a city with "windy" as its nickname? The Bears dont pass after November no matter who is at QB.

I'd say this is the worst place Cutler could have gone looking at just "numbers and stats". That being said, Bears paid a decent amount and got a top 5 QB. I'd give three picks and a scrub for him. However in terms of mistakes Cutler has just as many as Orton and sexy rexy. I'm not sure that they will let him air it out to make up for that mediocraty, so in essence did they upgrade 2 1st's and a 3rd worth to their offense?

I'm just not sure when you take into account the lack of WR's, the geography, and scheme. there is something to be said about not worrying about the position for 10 years though.

[NiNeRtHeOrY]

Da Bears!!!!

[Acez]

wr0ng b0ard

[Max_Power]

So happy we didn't do that. Cutler over the past month has officially become the most overrated player in the league.

[Snake Plissken]

LOL so it looks like Cutler isn't really changing his team colors, haahahahahah!!!

[Ace Matherton]

Orton will have more passing yards and TDs than Cutler next year.

I'd be willing to bet that. Orton wont even start for Denver.

Simms>Orton

[Ace Matherton]

double post@

[NY2ThaBay08]

they also signed orlando pace...nice 4 them

[ben f]

Bears got ripped off.

[The Jerm!]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

You fail

[NinersFanatic]

It will be worth it if he gets them to the Super Bowl in one of the next two years.

IMHO, the Packers and Vikings are still better than them in their own division.

[NY2ThaBay08]

So the 2nd rounder + alex Smith for cutler and a 4th that people on this board thought would get it done wasn't enough? Who saw that coming?

SHOCKING REALLY!!

[jackacid]

So the 2nd rounder + alex Smith for cutler and a 4th that people on this board thought would get it done wasn't enough? Who saw that coming?

Can't wait to hear Ralph Barbieri gripe about this one, for no reason like usual.

[bruin4life]

IMHO, the Packers and Vikings are still better than them in their own division.

I'm not sold on the Packers running game and their defense struggled last year. I think even playing it safe the Vikings are better than the Bears but the pack...not so much

[NiNeRtHeOrY]

Orton will have more passing yards and TDs than Cutler next year.

[NinerLifer]

Is he going to the Niners? NO.

Wrong forum *****.

[jackacid]

Orton will have more passing yards and TDs than Cutler next year.

Totally possible, honestly.

Cutler is going to help them, but I don't see them as the clear division favorite for it or anything. I expect Green Bay to bounce back and Minnesota is still the best team in the division, collectively.

[kingshmegland]

Man that is alot to give up. I know the guys a very good Qb but he does have some screws loose. Good for Denver.

[CSRKing15]

It will be worth it if he gets them to the Super Bowl in one of the next two years.

what are u smoking he is not taking them to the super bowl in one of the next two years....they dont have and WRs....Devin Hester is not a full time WR....Cutler had a better team last year....last time i checked he didnt take them to the super bowl

[Max_Power]

Orton will have more passing yards and TDs than Cutler next year.

I didn't want to be the first one so I waited...and now I will follow.

[NinersFanatic]

I'm not sold on the Packers running game and their defense struggled last year. I think even playing it safe the Vikings are better than the Bears but the pack...not so much

The Packers were probably the biggest underachievers in the entire league last year. They have the talent to turn things around quickly.

Oh, and they actually have draft picks to improve that defense.

[merlin528]

from one cold *** city to another.....

[Nevyn]

So the 2nd rounder + alex Smith for cutler and a 4th that people on this board thought would get it done wasn't enough? Who saw that coming?

[XJUN10RX]

If i was the bears i would pick up Holt and harrison.


Holt----hester------000OLINE000-Olson--------Harrison
------------------ -----Cutler---------------------

------------------- -----Forte------------------

Hmmm seems like a pretty good offense to me.. This could work for 2-3 years until they have draft picks again...


This board sucks, my post end up everywhere!

[NiNeRtHeOrY]

I didn't want to be the first one so I waited...and now I will follow.

:laugh:

[roryslosh]

So the 2nd rounder + alex Smith for cutler and a 4th that people on this board thought would get it done wasn't enough? Who saw that coming?

Actually I think Bigmars offer was Hill and the value of an early 3rd.

[101South]

So the 2nd rounder + alex Smith for cutler and a 4th that people on this board thought would get it done wasn't enough? Who saw that coming?

Heck, I think someone thought Mark Roman + some used cleats would get'er done.

[Coldrain85]

Bears got ripped off.

No, they ripped themselves off. Nobody put a gun to their head.

I figured that some team would come over the top and give up a lot to get him, and I'm glad that it wasn't the 49ers who did it. The Cutler trade is the most overvalued trade I've seen since Ricky Williams.

The 49ers made a stupid trade for Jim Plunkett that was similar to what went down today. Anyone remember that? The 49ers gave up way too much to get him. They couldn't fill other holes as a result and Plunkett got knocked around. One step forward, two steps back. Chicago may have one decent year before they fall off.

[JASON]

I think Denver really got the worst end of this deal IMO. Kyle Orton sucks big time! Man Denver just ****ed them selves. They get a ****ty QB to go with their ****ty Defense. LOL! I think the Bears just made them selves a playoff team with this trade. That Defense is going to be fired up now with Cutler getting them some points on the board.

[BLEEDING_GOLD]

A Pro-Bowl QB just entering the peak of his career is up for grabs only once in a generation. I sure am glad that the 49ers would rather build through the draft......so it had better be a **** good one, with results SOON, or McCough needs to be tarred, feathered, and run the **** out of here on a rail.

In other words, given their very mediocre recent draft history, the 9ers dropped the ball again until they prove otherwise.

What about Drew Brees? He was a Young Pro bowl QB entering the prime of his career and that worked out pretty well for NO. I still think San Diego was crazy for going with Rivers.

[BrentJones84]

Well, I'm disappointed we didn't end up with Cutler, but at the same time, two round picks plus a player and an additional pick is, wow, a lot for one guy, so I'm glad we didn't give up of all that.

[majesstik1]

Who hell is he going to throw too?

His college teammate Earl Bennett of course :)

[BrentJones84]

Totally possible, honestly.

Cutler is going to help them, but I don't see them as the clear division favorite for it or anything. I expect Green Bay to bounce back and Minnesota is still the best team in the division, collectively.

If GB can find a defense, they'll be solid. Viks just need a game manager at QB to be a favorite. Now the Bears have made it interesting.

The NFC-N is going to be a tight race. At least they all still have Detroit to beat up on.

[bruin4life]

Well, I'm disappointed we didn't end up with Cutler, but at the same time, two round picks plus a player and an additional pick is, wow, a lot for one guy, so I'm glad we didn't give up of all that.

i agree. They gave up a lot of Cutler. I don't care if you think he is the franchise (and I do think he's a franchise QB) that's just a helluva lot to give up.

[Kellzeatyou]

The Broncos got a hell of a deal...

[Ness]

Totally possible, honestly.

Cutler is going to help them, but I don't see them as the clear division favorite for it or anything. I expect Green Bay to bounce back and Minnesota is still the best team in the division, collectively.

Well the Broncos are going to have to pass a lot to keep up while they are consistently behind. That is what Orton will have more yards.

[Niners94]

The Bears definitely got the better end of the deal. It's really hard to find a franchise QB.

[Leeding49er]

The Broncos got a hell of a deal...

Agree. Cutler's good, but not two firsts, a third and a reasonable QB for Cutler and a 5th.

The Bears just got a nice QB, but they've mortgaged their future.

[PuppetMaster]

Cutler cannot even win his division by beating the Raiders, KC and SD.... Now all of a sudden, he is going to rule the division he is in? :laugh:

It is going to be fun watching him fall flat on his face..

Denver made out like bandits.. They will post a better record without Cutler and they got the Bears future given to them in the process. It is hilarious.

The Bears will go nowhere with Cutler and they gave their future away to Denver. Denver just pulled off one of the best trades in decades, and the Bears just destroyed their franchise for years to come.

.

[jackacid]

Well, I'm disappointed we didn't end up with Cutler, but at the same time, two round picks plus a player and an additional pick is, wow, a lot for one guy, so I'm glad we didn't give up of all that.

I agree...too much of an attitude risk for THAT kind of bounty. Still, the Bears just landed their first relevant quarterback in 25 years.

[Sky Valley]

They are freakin' out over at the Broncos board. And not in a good way.

If the revolt continues and McDaniels starts sucking, I know of one weasel on their coaching staff who will be angling for that HC job. And after that, Denver can say hello to the basement and more years of rebuilding.

[prospector]

I pretty much agree

McCoughlan better pray Balmer works out AND have a a hell of a draft

imo



No doubt. The problem is that McCloughan has no balls, and it takes big balls to succeed in the NFL.

[NinersFanatic]

They are freakin' out over at the Broncos board. And not in a good way.

If the revolt continues and McDaniels starts sucking, I know of one weasel on their coaching staff who will be angling for that HC job. And after that, Denver can say hello to the basement and more years of rebuilding.

All though I'd be pissed about losing Cutler, I wouldn't be upset about what they got for him.

This trade could work in either side's favor when all's said and done.

[prospector]

Good, at least everybody can quit the threads about him coming here. YAY.


Yeah, and we can get back to arguing about who is better: Shaun Hill vs Alex Smith, and hoping we can break .500 this year, while the Bears fans start to think Super Bowl. This franchise is mediocre AT BEST...

[prospector]

Thank god. No more Cutler talk. And no more worrying about throwing two drafts away for someone who isn't going to make or break this team. I'm so glad we passed.



Right, why would a Pro-Bowl QB make or break a team that was 1 win away from winning its division....

[WildCardBound]

Thank god. No more Cutler talk. And no more worrying about throwing two drafts away for someone who isn't going to make or break this team. I'm so glad we passed.

For real, me too. Hill > Cutler.

Or the badasses we would have gotten with our first rounders, studs like Balmer, Staley, Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson, Alex Smith and Rashaun Woods. The only one I would not be happy about trading would be Willis, but him plus one of those other bums would totally be worth Cutler. With our draft history, it would have been a great deal.

[jackacid]

Denver fans are wallowing in serious misery...


http://forums.denverbroncos.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5 (http://forums.denverbroncos.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5)

[keehner87]

Thank god. No more Cutler talk. And no more worrying about throwing two drafts away for someone who isn't going to make or break this team. I'm so glad we passed.

[94949'er]

Agree. Cutler's good, but not two firsts, a third and a reasonable QB for Cutler and a 5th.

The Bears just got a nice QB, but they've mortgaged their future.

tough to mortgage a future when they didn't even have one with the midwest version of Hill and Smith at QB. its 2 real picks - throw out the 3/5 swap - the Bears already have 3 comp picks. jerry angelo would have wasted one of the #1's to begin with. and now denver is probably going to have to package their 12 and 18 this year to get into the top 5 or 6 if they want sanchez. so they're likely left with sanchez, an unknown prospect, plus next year's 20-ish pick (and the HOF neckbeard), in exchange for a franchise QB. or they could bet their future on Orton (woo hoo). this makes CHI relevant now, when they weren't to begin with. I give them credit for having the balls to make the deal.

http://zembla.cementhorizon.com/archives/orton.jpg

DEN savior? (apologies for stealing this from the DEN MB)

[prospector]

Cutler cannot even win his division by beating the Raiders, KC and SD.... Now all of a sudden, he is going to rule the division he is in? :laugh:

It is going to be fun watching him fall flat on his face..

Denver made out like bandits.. They will post a better record without Cutler and they got the Bears future given to them in the process. It is hilarious.

The Bears will go nowhere with Cutler and they gave their future away to Denver. Denver just pulled off one of the best trades in decades, and the Bears just destroyed their franchise for years to come.

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Tell me.....who is better, Cutler or Shaun Hill?

[Double_L]

Even though Orton is not a bad QB at all, I just get depressed imagining Kyle Orton as the starting QB for the Denver Broncos in 2009 :(

Not to mention I need a new sig.

[Willis-052]

**** the Bears.

[JASON]

It is silly to give up a winner for a loser, and then throw two first round draft picks on top of that.

You may not like Orton, but he is a winner, and Cutler is a nature born loser. The Broncos just upgraded their QB position from a loser to a winner, and they got 2 first round picks out of it.. What an amazing deal. Denver really knocked this one out of the park.

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WHAT? Orton is not even close to be as good a QB as Cutler! :slap:

http://www.nfl.com/players/kyleorton/profile?id=ORT716150

http://www.nfl.com/players/jaycutler/profile?id=CUT288111

Cutler has thrown 45 TD's the last 2 seasons & 8,000 yrds.

[PuppetMaster]

Tell me.....who is better, Cutler or Shaun Hill?

Shaun Hill is.. By far..

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[PuppetMaster]

tough to mortgage a future when they didn't even have one with the midwest version of Hill and Smith at QB. its 2 real picks - throw out the 3/5 swap - the Bears already have 3 comp picks. jerry angelo would have wasted one of the #1's to begin with. and now denver is probably going to have to package their 12 and 18 this year to get into the top 5 or 6 if they want sanchez. so they're likely left with sanchez, an unknown prospect, plus next year's 20-ish pick (and the HOF neckbeard), in exchange for a franchise QB. or they could bet their future on Orton (woo hoo). this makes CHI relevant now, when they weren't to begin with. I give them credit for having the balls to make the deal.

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DEN savior? (apologies for stealing this from the DEN MB)

It is silly to give up a winner for a loser, and then throw two first round draft picks on top of that.

You may not like Orton, but he is a winner, and Cutler is a nature born loser. The Broncos just upgraded their QB position from a loser to a winner, and they got 2 first round picks out of it.. What an amazing deal. Denver really knocked this one out of the park.

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[badass316]

Trade away your franchise QB because of some donkey 1st year head coach... BRILLIANT!

Great f'n move by the bears. Cutler is franchise material. I wouldn't hesitate parting with two 1st rounders and a 3rd for a young franchise QB.

[94949'er]

sorry, not biting on your faux retard post muppet

[bilwit]

Hmmm... I kind of liked Orton.

Noodle arm!

[PuppetMaster]

WHAT? Orton is not even close to be as good a QB as Cutler! :slap:

http://www.nfl.com/players/kyleorton/profile?id=ORT716150

http://www.nfl.com/players/jaycutler/profile?id=CUT288111

Cutler has thrown 45 TD's the last 2 seasons & 8,000 yrds.

Do not forget the losing record, the 38 turnovers, the fact that 45 TDs on almost 1,100 attempts is pure poo, the fact that he destroyed his defense in the process, and the fact that he does not have the ability to lead a mouse to cheese let alone grown men on the football field.

Orton is a winner who does everything on the football field to help every aspect of his team.. This is why Orton is a winner, and Cutler's inability to do those things is why Cutler is a loser, a weight in water around a teams neck.

I hate to be so harsh man, but it is what it is..

I could personally careless about the Bears or the Broncos... I just find the whole thing funny. :laugh:

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[PuppetMaster]

sorry, not biting on your faux retard post muppet

And you do not think you just did? Good lord, irony is a funny thing.. :)

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[jackacid]

WHAT? Orton is not even close to be as good a QB as Cutler! :slap:

http://www.nfl.com/players/kyleorton/profile?id=ORT716150

http://www.nfl.com/players/jaycutler/profile?id=CUT288111

Cutler has thrown 45 TD's the last 2 seasons & 8,000 yrds.

Did you really have to ask? :laugh:

[Nevyn]

No, they ripped themselves off. Nobody put a gun to their head.

I figured that some team would come over the top and give up a lot to get him, and I'm glad that it wasn't the 49ers who did it. The Cutler trade is the most overvalued trade I've seen since Ricky Williams.

The 49ers made a stupid trade for Jim Plunkett that was similar to what went down today. Anyone remember that? The 49ers gave up way too much to get him. They couldn't fill other holes as a result and Plunkett got knocked around. One step forward, two steps back. Chicago may have one decent year before they fall off.

All this talk about overpaying, what the heck did you guys think it would cost? He's a 25 year old pro bowler. He has mobility and one of the top arms in the league. He is just entering his prime. And draft picks, while high potential, are also high risk. QB is by far the hardest position to predict, draft and develop in the game.

Lets put this into perspective for you: Here is what the Giants gave up for Eli Manning before he played a down in the league.

The 4th overall pick of the same year
a 3rd rounder
a first rounder the next year
a fifth rounder the next year

This is pretty comparable compensation to that, and you're getting a player with a better arm, better wheels, and who has proven he can play in this league.

I think people's expectations got all messed up by the Matt Cassel trade , but that was a very different animal.

[bilwit]

All this talk about overpaying, what the heck did you guys think it would cost? He's a 25 year old pro bowler. He has mobility and one of the top arms in the league. He is just entering his prime. And draft picks, while high potential, are also high risk. QB is by far the hardest position to predict, draft and develop in the game.

Lets put this into perspective for you: Here is what the Giants gave up for Eli Manning before he played a down in the league.

The 4th overall pick of the same year
a 3rd rounder
a first rounder the next year
a fifth rounder the next year

This is pretty comparable compensation to that, and you're getting a player with a better arm, better wheels, and who has proven he can play in this league.

I think people's expectations got all messed up by the Matt Cassel trade , but that was a very different animal.

Not to mention the Eli trade looked real stupid for years up until about game 16 in 2007 :laugh:

[Coldrain85]

All this talk about overpaying, what the heck did you guys think it would cost? He's a 25 year old pro bowler. He has mobility and one of the top arms in the league. He is just entering his prime. And draft picks, while high potential, are also high risk. QB is by far the hardest position to predict, draft and develop in the game.

If the offer the Bears made was not way over the top then why didn't any other teams get in the mix? Chicago had the 18th overall pick which isn't even that high. You would think that Denver would have held out for a better offer, but they didn't. Why? Because there were no better offers. Not even close.

Chicago gave up a lot in terms of draft picks. That team has holes, and they have taken themselves out of the 1st round until 2011 barring a trade. Their defense was not that good (21st), and their offense was even worse (26th). Despite the FA moves they are still not the team to beat in the division.

You also have to consider the money aspect of it. Denver did not actually pay Cutler very much money due to the structuring of his contract. He's due to get the vast majority of his signing bonus in 2010 and 2011. Denver made out like a bandit on this deal. Regardless of Cutler's potential, he forced them to trade him and they got more than they could have hoped for in return. They used a #11 overall pick to get him, back loaded his contract, and scored 3 good draft picks and another QB when they cut him loose.

Chicago's GM put his career on the line when he made this trade. None of the other GM's who had interest in Cutler even bothered to speak up when Chicago made their move. Just MO, but I think they pulled the trigger too soon and they gave up way too much. I'm not necessarily saying that Chicago got a piece of shyt for their trouble, but they could have been smarter, a little more patient, and paid a little less. As it is they mortgaged their future and took valuable draft picks away from an already bad team that could have used them. I don't think they will have buyers remorse because I don't think that Cutler will underachieve. Overall team strength will suffer though, and it's not like they are a broken down LT and an upgrade at QB away from being a solid playoff contender.

[Nevyn]

If the offer the Bears made was not way over the top then why didn't any other teams get in the mix?

Who says they didnt? Are you the switchboard operator for the Broncos?

All reports I've seen had as many as ten teams making inquiries, if not offers. Why end up with the Bears deal? Its the same as a FA deal on the first day. You don't want to get caught bidding back and forth so you step up with a big offer and you say "this is it, right now, take it or leave it".

But to match what the Bears did, not only would a team need comparable picks and be willing to part with them, they'd need a comparable throw in QB.

Chicago had the 18th overall pick which isn't even that high. You would think that Denver would have held out for a better offer, but they didn't. Why? Because there were no better offers. Not even close.


What are you basing this off of? Oh, that's right. Nothing.

The teams considered front runners were the Jets (#17), the Buccaneers (#19) , the Vikings (#22). The only ones with a higher pick were the Redskins, the Lions, and us. Its pretty clear we werent bidding seriously. The Redskins have Campbell, so to get Cutler, they would either want a 3 way deal where thy get solid value back for Campbell, or would want to trade Campbell to Denver and get a lot more credit than the value assigned Kyle Orton.

So if Denver doesn't like Campbell that doesnt get done.

As for the Lions, the first overall pick is in theory worth more than the entire package the Bears gave up, and is also something Denver would not want unless they love Stafford. Detroit's other pick is 20.

Chicago gave up a lot in terms of draft picks. That team has holes, and they have taken themselves out of the 1st round until 2011 barring a trade. Their defense was not that good (21st), and their offense was even worse (26th). Despite the FA moves they are still not the team to beat in the division.

All those picks mean nothing until you have a QB in this league. They still have a great front 7 on defense, and on offense the holes aren't as glaring as you'd think. Pace will be a decent caretaker at LT, Forte and Olsen are emerging playmakers (and Cutler likes to use his TE ... watch for a big year from Olsen).

You also have to consider the money aspect of it. Denver did not actually pay Cutler very much money due to the structuring of his contract. He's due to get the vast majority of his signing bonus in 2010 and 2011.

Even if that contract gets paid out, he is easily worth the dollar figures remaining to be paid. Regardless, I expect an extension this year or next.

Besides, if you're going to talk financials you need to discuss what a winfall this will be for the Bears. They haven't had a star QB in 50 years. Think about that. Think about how rabid niners fans are for a star after SIX years.

By the end of the week, Chicago will probably have already made a mint off of Bears Cutler jerseys.

Denver made out like a bandit on this deal. Regardless of Cutler's potential, he forced them to trade him and they got more than they could have hoped for in return. They used a #11 overall pick to get him, back loaded his contract, and scored 3 good draft picks and another QB when they cut him loose.

Denver made the most out of a bad situation. I don't think they did badly. I also dont think they got much more (if anything) than they were expecting. Lets also remember that they traded up for Cutler in the first place.

And the supposed winfall in tempered by the fact that the first thing they must now do is get a franchise QB again, which is risky and difficult. If they are very lucky, they can use one of those firsts to do it. But just as or more likely, they'll have to trade up if they want to grab a guy they really want.

In the meantime, the defense is still a mess.

Think of it this way: Do you know who one of the best draft day traders of the last 10 years is? Matt Millen. If the picks you make after the "great" trades don't work, if you dont have a QB that can win, it doesnt matter how good a trade was on paper.

If Denver finds their QB, this will look great. If Cutler flops, this will look great. If Cutler has ANY success in Chicago and Denver struggles to replace him, there isnt a number on draft picks on earth that will make up for that.

Just MO, but I think they pulled the trigger too soon and they gave up way too much.

And I think someone was always going to end up giving up this much. My guess is if the Bears had held off, the Redskins or Jets would have figured out a deal, and you'd be talking about how they got robbed.

Also, according to NFLN, the Bears get a 5th back this year as well, so the net gain is 2 picks

[Bandwagon49]

His college teammate Earl Bennett of course :)

I'm pretty sure Bennett had Cutler brought in to through to him at his pro day last year.

[majesstik1]

I'm pretty sure Bennett had Cutler brought in to through to him at his pro day last year.

Did Chris Williams stand there and pretend to block too?

They're now the Chicago Commodores.

[Leeding49er]

However people want to spin it, by giving up two firsts and a third, the Bears have given up quite a bit of their future for the present, and they still lack a) a decent set of wideouts and b) they need some line work.

Personally, I believe that although the Broncos will take some time to recover, they've got a solid QB who can play for a while until they find their future slinger. With four first round picks and other high order picks to play with in the next two drafts (and a good QB stock next year - let's not forget that), they'll have a good shot at finding their man, and coming out of this deal in a lot better shape than the Bears.

Everybody is so high on Cutler, but they do tend to forget that he is quite error prone. Some of the throws that he makes off his back foot are crazy. Nice player, with a great arm, and good upside - but he's still not in the top 5 NFL QBs (Warner, Brees, P. Manning, Rivers, Ryan (yes my friends, he's much more solid), and I might even make a call for McNabb and Cassell (I think he'll do very well in his new surroundings). Maybe not Hill, though ;-)

[jwallace]

i think it was a good trade at the end the bears are really only losing next year number one pick and switching there third round pick for Denver fifth round pick. Alton would not have played with cutler there anyway and cutler represent the 18 pick.

[TerrellOwns]

Originally Posted by PuppetMaster View Post
And yet, when you put Hill's production on the football field up against Cutler's, of course, Hill is better than Cutler..

just wow..

[NinersFanatic]

WHAT? Orton is not even close to be as good a QB as Cutler! :slap:

http://www.nfl.com/players/kyleorton/profile?id=ORT716150

http://www.nfl.com/players/jaycutler/profile?id=CUT288111

Cutler has thrown 45 TD's the last 2 seasons & 8,000 yrds.

We'll see if he does the same behind a mediocre line and the worst receiving corp in the NFL.

[PuppetMaster]

Originally Posted by PuppetMaster View Post
And yet, when you put Hill's production on the football field up against Cutler's, of course, Hill is better than Cutler..

just wow..

Clearly I am not the only one who thinks so..

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?&entry_id=37950

You can ride the Cutler bandwagon all you want, we will see who is better in 2009.. Shaun Hill the 49er, who you cant seem to understand and refuse to respect, or Cutler the Bear, the guy who's bandwagon you love being on and have fantasy land ideas about..

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[PuppetMaster]

We'll see if he does the same behind a mediocre line and the worst receiving corp in the NFL.

He wont..

With the Bears, Cutler will more than likely only throw that ball 475-525 times a year, and Cutler is going to quickly be exposed as an average QB at best. If he did not throw the ball 616 times in Denver, everyone would know that Cutler is at best, an average QB.

In my estimation, Cutler will have about 2,700-3,000 yards, 15-18 TDs, 20-22 turnovers, a QB Rating in the 60s-70s, go 5-11 to 7-9, and the Bears defense will slip.

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[Montana to Rice]

He wont..

With the Bears, Cutler will more than likely only throw that ball 475-525 times a year, and Cutler is going to quickly be exposed as an average QB at best. If he did not throw the ball 616 times in Denver, everyone would know that Cutler is at best, an average QB.

In my estimation, Cutler will have about 2,700-3,000 yards, 15-18 TDs, 20-22 turnovers, a QB Rating in the 60s-70s, go 5-11 to 7-9, and the Bears defense will slip.

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I'm a S.Hill fan too but to say cutler is an avg qb is just not factual. Yeah he had recievers but he had no running game and no defense. Watch tape on Cutler he could make all the throws. He's gonna be a great addition to the Bears.

[Montana to Rice]

All this talk about overpaying, what the heck did you guys think it would cost? He's a 25 year old pro bowler. He has mobility and one of the top arms in the league. He is just entering his prime. And draft picks, while high potential, are also high risk. QB is by far the hardest position to predict, draft and develop in the game.

Lets put this into perspective for you: Here is what the Giants gave up for Eli Manning before he played a down in the league.

The 4th overall pick of the same year
a 3rd rounder
a first rounder the next year
a fifth rounder the next year

This is pretty comparable compensation to that, and you're getting a player with a better arm, better wheels, and who has proven he can play in this league.

I think people's expectations got all messed up by the Matt Cassel trade , but that was a very different animal.

nice post

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