Mike mayock on nfl.com said we were taking sanchez at 10, with crabtree on the board? [Archive]

MR. WEBBER

04-04-2009, 06:01 PM

Not in the least. First let's mention how Crabtree comes from Texas Tech. This is a team that routinely features a top rated passer whether it is Kliff Kingsbury, BJ Symons or Justin Harell. It's largely because despite schools like BYU and Hawaii, they can attract a better level of QB to run their spread offense. While these prospects continue to flop in the NFL, it must be the great weapons, right? Wes Welker is the only WR, RB , or TE in the NFL of note from the school. So, the way I see it, I could care less. Especially when Welker won the ST's player of the year award and had 3.1K+ receiving yards and another 450+ rushing yards and he went undrafted. Too small of a case, I'm sure but he dominated for over 3,500 total yards of offense at Texas Tech and no one cared. But Crabtree, no one cared in a similar manner despite a huge junior year until his acrobatic sideline grab on national TV.

As afar as 'top WR prospects' go, Crabtree is the Alex Smith of this class. A product of a gimmicky offense, limited starting experience and is not even in the same class as a guy like Calvin Johnson who deserved a top 5 drafting spot. Teams have rightfully and wisely avoided 1st round WRs lately and they have tumbled and nothing suggests the trend should change.

usually you are spot on with your assesments, but this one on crabtree is way off.

MR. WEBBER

04-04-2009, 06:02 PM

Malcolm Jenkins was still on the board also....

i like the idea of taking jenkins, i dont know why so many people on this board are against it. he is hands down the best at his position and to be able to pick up the best at any position at 10 is a very good thing.

Bobslay85

04-04-2009, 06:02 PM

I just don't get this. Granted a new playmaker QB would be nice but theres 3 things wrong with that:

Sanchez is unproven like all rookie QBs.
Alex Smith is starting anew and is young.
We have other concerns!

We can get a QB as our first round choice in another draft or later in this upcoming draft! We need to address our d-line and o-line first. I know there's been other teams that have taken a QB when they have more pressing needs but I think we are at least somewhat set at QB, therefore its inner-dline, pass rusher or o-line.

chuy

04-04-2009, 06:03 PM

Not in the least. First let's mention how Crabtree comes from Texas Tech. This is a team that routinely features a top rated passer whether it is Kliff Kingsbury, BJ Symons or Justin Harell. It's largely because despite schools like BYU and Hawaii, they can attract a better level of QB to run their spread offense. While these prospects continue to flop in the NFL, it must be the great weapons, right? Wes Welker is the only WR, RB , or TE in the NFL of note from the school. So, the way I see it, I could care less. Especially when Welker won the ST's player of the year award and had 3.1K+ receiving yards and another 450+ rushing yards and he went undrafted. Too small of a case, I'm sure but he dominated for over 3,500 total yards of offense at Texas Tech and no one cared. But Crabtree, no one cared in a similar manner despite a huge junior year until his acrobatic sideline grab on national TV.

As afar as 'top WR prospects' go, Crabtree is the Alex Smith of this class. A product of a gimmicky offense, limited starting experience and is not even in the same class as a guy like Calvin Johnson who deserved a top 5 drafting spot. Teams have rightfully and wisely avoided 1st round WRs lately and they have tumbled and nothing suggests the trend should change.

We're talking about him at 10 not top 5, and he had one of the best seasons if not the best season ever by a wide receiver as a junior, and stayed consistent his senior year in the BIG XII. He consistently beat out top corners with superb route running, and GREAT HANDS! This is the nex LARRY Fitzgerald (great athlete, great hands). He was also brought to Tx Tech as QB so the Wildcat comes into play, he's kinda like Anquan Boldin and Fitz combined.

chuy

04-04-2009, 06:05 PM

We're talking about him at 10 not top 5, and he had one of the best seasons if not the best season ever by a wide receiver as a junior, and stayed consistent his senior year in the BIG XII. He consistently beat out top corners with superb route running, and GREAT HANDS! This is the nex LARRY Fitzgerald (great athlete, great hands). He was also brought to Tx Tech as QB so the Wildcat comes into play, he's kinda like Anquan Boldin and Fitz combined.

sorry i meant freshman and sophmore year, he is an underclassman

NinerLifer

04-04-2009, 06:14 PM

no, I wouldnt take Crabtree IF......Raji was still on the board. But thats the only one I would take over Crabtree.

And as for Sanchez.....HHHHhhhhaahahahahaha. Its just media having NO idea about our situation and analysing us simply on needs on paper....not the needs we have had for the last 3-4 years, and what we have done with Smiths contract.

IMO there is about a 1% chance we take Sanchez....its just the media playing games and creating a storm pre-draft.

49ersz

04-04-2009, 06:16 PM

Malcolm Jenkins was still on the board also....

TheWiz

04-04-2009, 06:26 PM

anyone else strongly disagree with us passing on CRABTREE if he's still there

Not in the least. First let's mention how Crabtree comes from Texas Tech. This is a team that routinely features a top rated passer whether it is Kliff Kingsbury, BJ Symons or Justin Harell. It's largely because despite schools like BYU and Hawaii, they can attract a better level of QB to run their spread offense. While these prospects continue to flop in the NFL, it must be the great weapons, right? Wes Welker is the only WR, RB , or TE in the NFL of note from the school. So, the way I see it, I could care less. Especially when Welker won the ST's player of the year award and had 3.1K+ receiving yards and another 450+ rushing yards and he went undrafted. Too small of a case, I'm sure but he dominated for over 3,500 total yards of offense at Texas Tech and no one cared. But Crabtree, no one cared in a similar manner despite a huge junior year until his acrobatic sideline grab on national TV.

As afar as 'top WR prospects' go, Crabtree is the Alex Smith of this class. A product of a gimmicky offense, limited starting experience and is not even in the same class as a guy like Calvin Johnson who deserved a top 5 drafting spot. Teams have rightfully and wisely avoided 1st round WRs lately and they have tumbled and nothing suggests the trend should change.

keehner87

04-04-2009, 07:12 PM

NyNinerFan

04-04-2009, 07:31 PM

Not in the least. First let's mention how Crabtree comes from Texas Tech. This is a team that routinely features a top rated passer whether it is Kliff Kingsbury, BJ Symons or Justin Harell. It's largely because despite schools like BYU and Hawaii, they can attract a better level of QB to run their spread offense. While these prospects continue to flop in the NFL, it must be the great weapons, right? Wes Welker is the only WR, RB , or TE in the NFL of note from the school. So, the way I see it, I could care less. Especially when Welker won the ST's player of the year award and had 3.1K+ receiving yards and another 450+ rushing yards and he went undrafted. Too small of a case, I'm sure but he dominated for over 3,500 total yards of offense at Texas Tech and no one cared. But Crabtree, no one cared in a similar manner despite a huge junior year until his acrobatic sideline grab on national TV.

As afar as 'top WR prospects' go, Crabtree is the Alex Smith of this class. A product of a gimmicky offense, limited starting experience and is not even in the same class as a guy like Calvin Johnson who deserved a top 5 drafting spot. Teams have rightfully and wisely avoided 1st round WRs lately and they have tumbled and nothing suggests the trend should change.

you certainly have a thing for Wes Welker.. :laugh:

nah, but in all seriousness, i agree totally with every word here.. people are making a huge mistake if they think Crabtree is anywhere near the type of receiving prospect that Calvin Johnson was.. and ever since the draft talk began, that is all that i've heard regarding Crabtree..

NyNinerFan

04-04-2009, 07:32 PM

I'll quit coming to the MB if Orakpo and Crabtree are there at 10 and we take Sanchez. ALL the haters would be out in full force and even I would start to question the decision making of the FO, which I don't normally do.

there's no way we pass on Orakpo if he's available at 10.. i just can't see it happening.. i don't even think he'll make it to 10

N9erEmpire

04-04-2009, 07:34 PM

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MtzNinersfan

04-04-2009, 07:49 PM

hmmm...a lot of people think we're gonna take sanchez

Tovey21

04-04-2009, 07:55 PM

I thought about it before...he's the fastest guy in the draft so why wouldnt Davis take him...he took Russell cuz he had the biggest arm and McFadden cuz he was so explosive and one of the fastest players coming out...

Even If Al Davis likes Heyward-Bey, taking him at 7 is a super reach. You can trade down, grab extra picks and still grab him.

9errealist

04-04-2009, 08:06 PM

Not in the least. First let's mention how Crabtree comes from Texas Tech. This is a team that routinely features a top rated passer whether it is Kliff Kingsbury, BJ Symons or Justin Harell. It's largely because despite schools like BYU and Hawaii, they can attract a better level of QB to run their spread offense. While these prospects continue to flop in the NFL, it must be the great weapons, right? Wes Welker is the only WR, RB , or TE in the NFL of note from the school. So, the way I see it, I could care less. Especially when Welker won the ST's player of the year award and had 3.1K+ receiving yards and another 450+ rushing yards and he went undrafted. Too small of a case, I'm sure but he dominated for over 3,500 total yards of offense at Texas Tech and no one cared. But Crabtree, no one cared in a similar manner despite a huge junior year until his acrobatic sideline grab on national TV.

As afar as 'top WR prospects' go, Crabtree is the Alex Smith of this class. A product of a gimmicky offense, limited starting experience and is not even in the same class as a guy like Calvin Johnson who deserved a top 5 drafting spot. Teams have rightfully and wisely avoided 1st round WRs lately and they have tumbled and nothing suggests the trend should change. Thank you Wiz, been saying that for months now. Technically there isn't any WR worth a 1st rd pick let alone a top 10 one. As stated by numerous media outlets "this draft mimic's the 05 draft". There is no clear number 1. I'd hate to be the Lions right now.

N9erEmpire

04-04-2009, 08:11 PM

Are you serious?!? That site is a joke, but sometimes the forums are good

I just look at the mock drafts, they've been pretty much on the money year in and year out.

KingOfTheHill

04-04-2009, 08:55 PM

hmmm...a lot of people think we're gonna take sanchez

remember how everyone was certain miami would pick brady quinn?

49ersPhEnOm

04-04-2009, 09:05 PM

Yeaa, mayock is a dummy.

Fricker 4

04-05-2009, 01:47 AM

ummm wiz... just curious but isn't the tech qb ur referring to graham harrell?? not justin.. and also was crabtree a soph last year??

duxstar

04-05-2009, 09:48 AM

49ersRoxerz

04-05-2009, 10:14 AM

Not in the least. First let's mention how Crabtree comes from Texas Tech. This is a team that routinely features a top rated passer whether it is Kliff Kingsbury, BJ Symons or Justin Harell. It's largely because despite schools like BYU and Hawaii, they can attract a better level of QB to run their spread offense. While these prospects continue to flop in the NFL, it must be the great weapons, right? Wes Welker is the only WR, RB , or TE in the NFL of note from the school. So, the way I see it, I could care less. Especially when Welker won the ST's player of the year award and had 3.1K+ receiving yards and another 450+ rushing yards and he went undrafted. Too small of a case, I'm sure but he dominated for over 3,500 total yards of offense at Texas Tech and no one cared. But Crabtree, no one cared in a similar manner despite a huge junior year until his acrobatic sideline grab on national TV.

As afar as 'top WR prospects' go, Crabtree is the Alex Smith of this class. A product of a gimmicky offense, limited starting experience and is not even in the same class as a guy like Calvin Johnson who deserved a top 5 drafting spot. Teams have rightfully and wisely avoided 1st round WRs lately and they have tumbled and nothing suggests the trend should change.

i think you mean graham harral justin harrell is dt

TheWiz

04-05-2009, 01:17 PM

ummm wiz... just curious but isn't the tech qb ur referring to graham harrell?? not justin.. and also was crabtree a soph last year??

Also crabtree was well known by almost everyone in this forum way before he made that catch in front of national media. I wanted crabtree before he even stepped on the field last year.

1- Yes, I meant Graham. My mistake.

2- Crabtree was a 'sophomore' last year. He's only going to be 22 in September.

3- Maybe. But largely because he not surprisingly got a lot of yards and TDs in an offense that has done so routinely for over a decade. There were receivers at Hawaii under Colt Brennan who lit up stat boards (do you think they score 7+ passing TDs that often and they won't have 1,500 yard, 15 TD receivers?). People knew of Michael Crabtree but he was nobody's 'must have WR' until that catch. Since then everyone around here acts like he's a blue-chipper and I just don't see it, period. If anything I'd compare him to Braylon Edwards in terms of how he fits into this draft.

MR. WEBBER

04-05-2009, 01:35 PM

people were talking about him way before the catch. after his freshman year there was a ton of buzz on this guy. i dont know if he slept with your woman or what your deal is with him, but the guy is a great talent at wr.

KingRat

04-05-2009, 02:33 PM

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NiNeRtHeOrY

04-05-2009, 04:55 PM

Wow... We take Sanchez with Jenkins, Crabtree and Orakpo still there. And Bey was gone before Crabtree: :falldownlaugh:

What is that all about? I'm seeing this more and more in some recent mocks...weird.

MR. WEBBER

04-05-2009, 09:20 PM

What is that all about? I'm seeing this more and more in some recent mocks...weird.

just because of his speed. he is this years fabian washington.

NY2ThaBay08

04-05-2009, 09:59 PM

I wanted crabtree before he even stepped on the field last year.

your not the only one!:sfhelmet:

chuy

04-06-2009, 10:06 AM

1- Yes, I meant Graham. My mistake.

2- Crabtree was a 'sophomore' last year. He's only going to be 22 in September.

3- Maybe. But largely because he not surprisingly got a lot of yards and TDs in an offense that has done so routinely for over a decade. There were receivers at Hawaii under Colt Brennan who lit up stat boards (do you think they score 7+ passing TDs that often and they won't have 1,500 yard, 15 TD receivers?). People knew of Michael Crabtree but he was nobody's 'must have WR' until that catch. Since then everyone around here acts like he's a blue-chipper and I just don't see it, period. If anything I'd compare him to Braylon Edwards in terms of how he fits into this draft.

Braoylon Edwards is better than any receiver we have, and Crabtree doesn't have huge speed but is a possesion WR like Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin and last I checked they're pretty good!

jackacid

04-06-2009, 11:06 AM

L-Smoove

04-06-2009, 11:54 AM

Not in the least. First let's mention how Crabtree comes from Texas Tech. This is a team that routinely features a top rated passer whether it is Kliff Kingsbury, BJ Symons or Justin Harell. It's largely because despite schools like BYU and Hawaii, they can attract a better level of QB to run their spread offense. While these prospects continue to flop in the NFL, it must be the great weapons, right? Wes Welker is the only WR, RB , or TE in the NFL of note from the school. So, the way I see it, I could care less. Especially when Welker won the ST's player of the year award and had 3.1K+ receiving yards and another 450+ rushing yards and he went undrafted. Too small of a case, I'm sure but he dominated for over 3,500 total yards of offense at Texas Tech and no one cared. But Crabtree, no one cared in a similar manner despite a huge junior year until his acrobatic sideline grab on national TV.

As afar as 'top WR prospects' go, Crabtree is the Alex Smith of this class. A product of a gimmicky offense, limited starting experience and is not even in the same class as a guy like Calvin Johnson who deserved a top 5 drafting spot. Teams have rightfully and wisely avoided 1st round WRs lately and they have tumbled and nothing suggests the trend should change.

I can't say I agree this time Wizboy.
He is overrated, but not Alex Smith level. That being said, he's not better than Maclin, Harvin, or Nicks IMO.

SB49er4life

04-06-2009, 01:26 PM

Wow... We take Sanchez with Jenkins, Crabtree and Orakpo still there. And Bey was gone before Crabtree: :falldownlaugh:

Malcom Jenkins- Good player that shows up on film, but he doesn't quite have the athleticism to warrant a Top 10 selection. He still belongs in the 1st round, but IMO, shouldn't go that high.

*McCloughan was asked specifically about Jenkins as a FS, and was quick to insist that he is a CB 1st in their eyes, FS 2nd. I personally don't think that we need to be using our #10 pick on a CB.

Michael Crabtree- Let's not forget that Crabtree has barely worked out or done much at all for teams pre-draft for him not to be considered a major risk. I still think he can be a good player, but I don't think I'm ready to take that big of a risk on a player with questionable deep speed from a gimmick offense to begin with.

Brian Orakpo- One of the players that I would be VERY comfortable with drafting at the #10 spot. Physical freak and passionate about the game, the only thing I question about him is if he has elite pass rushing instincts/technique. He won't be able to just overpower and run untouched by NFL OT's, and I wouldn't be interested a DE/OLB unless he was a gamebreaking pass rusher, a la Shawne Merriman or D. Ware.

hippydude

04-06-2009, 01:58 PM

The big point of Mayock putting Sanchez with us at #10, Mayock said it had us "controlling the value" of the #10 pick. Meaning, Sanchez should go at #10, if not to us, then we'd be dumb not to trade it to someone who does want him. If Sanchez gets to #12, then the Broncos are surely taking him. Mayock also mentioned that we need a pass rusher and a tackle, but thought we'd control the value of the pick.

As for Crabtree, he hinted at there being "off the field issues" that would cause him to slide. He didn't elaborate at all on that.

MR. WEBBER

04-06-2009, 04:33 PM

Mayock said two teams in the top 10 will take a WR and neither will be Crabtree (Oakland & Jacksonville -- he said Crabtree isn't fast enough for Davis' liking and Del Rio will be concerned about character issues with Crabtree.)

i can kinda understand maclin going before crabtree, but thats it. if harvin or dhb goes before crabtree, those teams are smoking crack.

MR. WEBBER

04-06-2009, 04:33 PM

I can't say I agree this time Wizboy.
He is overrated, but not Alex Smith level. That being said, he's not better than Maclin, Harvin, or Nicks IMO.

i dont understand how people say he is overrated. what else do you want from wr that crabtree doesnt bring?

Twolf75

04-06-2009, 04:47 PM

how do you get the chicken then if you dont have an egg?

:thinking:

and last time i checked manning has a huge egg head.
lol you're crazy man, but anyways i believe that hakeem nicks is the best receiver in the draft next to crabtree

ninerman80

04-06-2009, 05:09 PM

Oher, Monroe, Raji, Orakpo are off the board...then I trade back and get an extra pick, but yes...If I had to take one of these two at #10 it would most definitley be Sanchez.

You gotta have the chicken before you can produce the egg, and last time I checked, Peyton Manning wasn't our QB.

MR. WEBBER

04-06-2009, 05:10 PM

Tom Cat

04-06-2009, 08:26 PM

Maybe if Sanchez is there we trade with the Jets - do they have a second - we get the 17th pick and pick Avery and have two seconds and maybe a second next year.

KansasNinerFan

04-07-2009, 09:43 AM

no, I wouldnt take Crabtree IF......Raji was still on the board. But thats the only one I would take over Crabtree.

this would be my nightmare scenerio. A great nightmare but one I never thought of. I would be screaming a name at the TV just don't know which one. I covet Raji because I think there is a shot he is still there for us. But what if Crabtree was there? Man you can't pass on him can you? It has happened before as we all know. You think the Vikes had any clue Adrian Petersen would be there @ 7?