Would we actually Draft Jeremy Maclin?

[dbro0880]

Assuming Crabtree, Sanchez, Raji, Monroe, and J. Smith are gone...Do you think we would actually consider Drafting Maclin?

How high do you believe he is on our Board? Is the fact thats hes a speed receiver/slight build type scare Mcglouhan who likes bigger build(slower) receivers?

I would love for him to be a 49er if the guys mentioned above were gone but I just dont see the 49ers picking him.

[Benji]

Kenny Britt, guys, Kenny Britt

[NiNeRtHeOrY]

Most scout boards have him between 10-15....it isn't inconceivable.

[OsBoogie]

I can't say how high he is on our board but I do believe we are/can consider him...

we know that Scot and Mike are excited about the WR's this year... and although we have said we want big, physical guys... we also said we want/need a guy who will stretch the field

[gnoix]

Maclin > Crabtree

[OsBoogie]

Kenny Britt, guys, Kenny Britt

definitely with that in the 2nd... if he's there... but with the Gigantes releasing Plax, I think they may target the local guy

[ckirby96]

Really? Why do you think this?
McCloughan has always shied away from taking WRs in the 1st round. He's said in numerous interviews that good WRs can be found in the 3rd round and later.

With that said, if a true blue chip WR is there at #10 I think we'd pull the trigger. In my mind the only person who fits that bill is Crabtree. I've seen Maclin taken ahead of Crabtree in a lot of mock drafts, but that's mainly due to Crabtree not running a 40.

I think when the dust clears, though, Crabtree is right back at the top of WR rankings. If he's there at #10, we pounce on him. If Maclin is there, we pass.

[9erfanfromday1]

I doubt it. I'll just say I would be extremely surprised.

[9erfanfromday1]

Maclin > Crabtree

Really? Why do you think this?

[jackacid]

I see a lot of mocks have him going to Oakland (unless they take a Tackle.)

Davis loves speed.

[dhiLL]

Is the fact thats hes a speed receiver/slight build type scare Mcglouhan who likes bigger build(slower) receivers?



He drafted Brandon Williams and Jason Hill, and signed Isaac Bruce. I know he's stated he likes bigger receivers, but he won't shy away from a talent like Maclin.

[GoreScores]

I doubt he's the BPA at 10 so probably not....

[Hypocr1t1cal]

I doubt he's the BPA at 10 so probably not....

If he's still around at 10 there's a very good chance he's BPA at that point. However, I see Jacksonville or Oakland taking him before us.

[MR. WEBBER]

i would love to have maclin on the squad. he fills the role of kr/pr and slot wr. he can take it to the house everytime he touches the ball. i would buy a maclin jersey the day they came out.

[49ersPhEnOm]

Maclin > Crabtree

Absolutely Not...go look up what Crabtree has done in 2 years compared to what Maclin has in 3.

[49ersPhEnOm]

Maclin has only played 2 yrs of football @ Mizzou...he red-shirted in 06 his 1st yr there...

ok but still crabtree has done alot better than maclin.

[Twolf75]

I think we have enough size with Jones and Morgan being at 220 lbs. I think we should draft a small quick WR like Stroughter, Manuel Johnson, and Mike Thomas to return kicks/punts, line up in the slot, and to run end-arounds.
stroughter is nice, but i'd like to see what jphnny knox could do

[G4LIFE]

we know that Scot and Mike are excited about the WR's this year... and although we have said we want big, physical guys... we also said we want/need a guy who will stretch the field

I think we have enough size with Jones and Morgan being at 220 lbs. I think we should draft a small quick WR like Stroughter, Manuel Johnson, and Mike Thomas to return kicks/punts, line up in the slot, and to run end-arounds.

[IMiss94]

ok but still crabtree has done alot better than maclin.

at WR yes, Crabtree has almost double the touchdowns as Maclin the last 2 years.

But Maclin is a Savage KR/PR

[Sky Valley]

I could see them drafting Maclin. Call it Desean Jackson remorse.

[Leeding49er]

Of course we'd consider him. A lot of mocks do have him going at 7 or 8 at this point.

[Texicali blue]

inflated stats due to TT gimmick offense. I don't think TT has even called a running play in like 6 years. Not that Crabs isn't a solid prospect, but lets not project how he will be in the NFL because of the inflated stats.

more proof that you don't know what you're talking about, TT made big strides in their running game last year with 2 quality tailbacks.

Probably ran for more plays and yards than any time since Leach arrived on campus.

Why do you hate on Crabtree so much that you have to go to great (made up) lengths to diss him?

It's okay to say you just don't like him, but you don't have to go to such great lengths in your attempts to diminish his accomplishments.

[Texicali blue]

Wait I don't know what I'm talking about yet you say Maclin doesn't have elite speed. :laugh:

Anyways back on topic.....Graham Harrell had 626 attempts last season, by far the most in college football. You = fail

And for the record, I like Crabtree, he's just insanely overrated, and much of which is due to inflated stats in a gimmick offense.

Maclin doesn't have elite speed, he has elusiveness, which is different from speed, somtimes referred to as quickness.

You must read at a 3rd grade level or below, lol, because I never refuted how many pass attempts Harrell had.

I refuted your statement that Crabtree's numbers were due to the LACK OF A RUNNING GAME, your claim, and provided that TT ran the ball more times last year than since Leach arrived on campus(I did say probably) between their 2 quality backs.

rub your brain cells together and try to explain why you refuted how many rushing attempts a team had by pointing out the number of passes they attempted.

In fact, a smart person would realize that it was because of the running game allowing them to extend drives that allowed for the passing attempts to rise, too. they simply ran more plays altogether.

however, my point is still true, they ran more last year than in year's past, which disproves your claim about Crab's numbers being due to lack of a running game.

this is the part of the post where I say

EPIC FAIL

[ninerman80]

I don't see us taking a WR with our first pick, no matter who is there at 10.

[Texicali blue]

Listen, I'm not going to debate with you because its pointless to argue with someone so obviously wrong.

Seriously if you dont think Maclin has elite speed then that says everything I need to know about you evaluation skills. Maclin is probably faster then anyone in the country with the exception of maybe a guy or 2 at Florida and Holliday at LSU. Maclin is literally one of the top 5 fastest guys in the country and their is no debate for that. So you saying otherwise really makes you look foolish.

As far as Crabtree, are you really that slow? Not only was I partially joking, not that you could pick that up since you can't even pick up some basic concepts let alone real facts. Did you really think I was being serious when I said TT hasn't ran the ball in 6 years? :laugh: But let me dumb what I was saying down a bit to help you out a bit:

The OP was basically saying Crabs is going to be a stud because he had a ton of college TD's. I was simply saying that his stats are greatly inflated due to his gimmick pass happy offense and that if you want to say a guy will have a good pro career then try using things that may translate to the NFL like his skillset and not base things off his inflated stats.

Got it now? Or are you going to keep digging your hole deeper with bogus arguments that Maclin doesn't have elite speed or that TT doesn't have a pass happy offense?

the old "I was joking" when proven wrong gag.

followed by the "you're too stupid to understand my meaningless ramblings" technique.

children have more tact than that.

Tell me, what is Jeremy's blistering 40-time?

Or are you gonna pull a Jordan Taber and tell me that doesn't matter because you timed him during a game, always good for a laugh.

being the fastest guy on a field full of slowpokes does not give one elite speed, that's why you keep dodging the question.

never mind being wrong about Tech's running game, too.

Edit--apparantly he ran a 4.46, I wouldn't call that "elite."

[Texicali blue]

And now for the Texas Tech stats of pass/run attempts over the past seasons

2006-656/219
2007-763/246
2008-662/317

so, it is not true that Crabtree's numbers were due to Tech passing the ball more as they decreased their pass attempts by 101 and increased their run attempts.

And that is why it was an epic fail to make that statement.

[SB49er4life]

Jeremy Maclin has elite speed. I don't even know why that would be in question. You are allowed to have elite speed AND elite athleticism. Not every player does, but that is what makes Maclin special and what makes him a no-brainer as a Top 15 pick.

As far as the Crabtree/TT gimmick offense point, doesn't Mizzou also run a pass-first, spread offense as well ?

Also, while acknowledging that Crabtree played in an offense where he was given more opportunities than the average #1 WR... his production was still out of control.

You can teach a WR with good feet to run good routes; you can't teach creating with the ball in your hands and catching everything that comes you way.

[xcfan]

regardless of whether he runs 4.3 or 4.4 or 4.5, maclin is a highly talented football player, and would give us something we would only have if isaac bruce was 25 years old.

my only concern is how much life is left in his reconstructed knee.

[MR. WEBBER]

you make it sound like every pass went crabtree's way. look at the other wr's on the team, they also had nice numbers. would you call moss overrated because the pats threw the ball alot?

[SBbound49ers]

Maclin seems very Torry Holtish.

[WehaveVD]

Timed speed is overrated with receivers.How fast was Jerry Rice????Yet he's the all-time NFL receiving leader!! It's more about hands,body positioning, and route running than speed and IMHO Crabtree does that better than Maclin...No doubt Maclin's a speed demon, but he' more in the mold of Ted Ginn Jr. whereas Crabtree a more sure-handed Braylon Edwards....

PS. Knobs aren't you one of the dudes who said we should take Adam Carriker over Willis a couple of years ago???If so I take anything you have to say about the draft with a grain of salt!:sfhelmet:

[badass316]

Timed speed is overrated with receivers.How fast was Jerry Rice????Yet he's the all-time NFL receiving leader!! It's more about hands,body positioning, and route running than speed and IMHO Crabtree does that better than Maclin...No doubt Maclin's a speed demon, but he' more in the mold of Ted Ginn Jr. whereas Crabtree a more sure-handed Braylon Edwards....

PS. Knobs aren't you one of the dudes who said we should take Adam Carriker over Willis a couple of years ago???If so I take anything you have to say about the draft with a grain of salt!:sfhelmet:

I don't think Braylon is the example you want with "sure handed" man :laugh: He's been about as stone handed the past couple of seasons as anyone in the league.

[slyman831]

Jeremy Maclin will be a great receiver on the field. He has a great story a lot like the Patrick Willis story.

[Texicali blue]

Jeremy Maclin has elite speed. I don't even know why that would be in question. You are allowed to have elite speed AND elite athleticism. Not every player does, but that is what makes Maclin special and what makes him a no-brainer as a Top 15 pick.

As far as the Crabtree/TT gimmick offense point, doesn't Mizzou also run a pass-first, spread offense as well ?

Also, while acknowledging that Crabtree played in an offense where he was given more opportunities than the average #1 WR... his production was still out of control.

You can teach a WR with good feet to run good routes; you can't teach creating with the ball in your hands and catching everything that comes you way.

Elite speed?

Care to back that up with something other than a Jordan Taberish comment?

Dude was a great college KR/WR, more exciting on his returns than as a WR because he is great at making people miss in open spaces, I consider that elusiveness not speed.

Speed is a guy who can run past the defender and catch the "over the top" pass consistently. I don't think he has the speed necessary to do that in the NFL, that's not saying I don't think he'll succeed, because I think speed is overrated, to borrow a term.

I just think Knobs was making up excuses to explain what is simply an opinion, trying to disguise it as some kind of indisputable fact.

There's nothing wrong with saying "I like this guy better" or "I don't think this dude will succeed" but when you invent statistics(it's due to TT passing the ball more, when in reality they threw 101 more passes the year before Crabtree arrived on campus than they did last year and upped their running game over those 2 years, too) or that Maclin has "blazing all world speed" without any numbers to back that up, it is just ridiculous.

Simply say you like DudeX over DudeY, without inventing stats to back it up, after all, it's just your opinion, so it can't be challenged, but made up stats will be challenged, that's all.

[WehaveVD]

I don't think Braylon is the example you want with "sure handed" man :laugh: He's been about as stone handed the past couple of seasons as anyone in the league.
I guess you didn't understand my post...I was saying that Crabtree is a more sure-handed Braylon; ie. Braylon Edwards with better hands....His body and speed remind me of Edwards, his hands are more similar to Fitzgeralds'.....Again,:sfhelmet: I'm not saying he is Fitzgerald!!

[Kenage]

Kenny Britt, guys, Kenny Britt

I like Britt as well Benji but I think we already have that kind of WR in Morgan. I think we need more of a small burner on the outside to send deep. If he can return punts/kicks that would be an added bonus. Who was the other WR at Rutgers and is he in this draft? He is the smaller faster guy right?

[SB49er4life]

Elite speed?

Care to back that up with something other than a Jordan Taberish comment?

Dude was a great college KR/WR, more exciting on his returns than as a WR because he is great at making people miss in open spaces, I consider that elusiveness not speed.

Speed is a guy who can run past the defender and catch the "over the top" pass consistently. I don't think he has the speed necessary to do that in the NFL, that's not saying I don't think he'll succeed, because I think speed is overrated, to borrow a term.

I just think Knobs was making up excuses to explain what is simply an opinion, trying to disguise it as some kind of indisputable fact.

There's nothing wrong with saying "I like this guy better" or "I don't think this dude will succeed" but when you invent statistics(it's due to TT passing the ball more, when in reality they threw 101 more passes the year before Crabtree arrived on campus than they did last year and upped their running game over those 2 years, too) or that Maclin has "blazing all world speed" without any numbers to back that up, it is just ridiculous.

Simply say you like DudeX over DudeY, without inventing stats to back it up, after all, it's just your opinion, so it can't be challenged, but made up stats will be challenged, that's all.

GAME FILM.

[MR. WEBBER]

40 times are very overrated.

tell me this, how many wr's start from a sprinters stance in the nfl? and if they did, what corner would not come up and jam him at the line?

[Twolf75]

40 times are very overrated.

tell me this, how many wr's start from a sprinters stance in the nfl? and if they did, what corner would not come up and jam him at the line?REP i prefer a guy that runs a 4.4-4.5 but can get open with his route running and catch the ball rather than have a guy that runs a 4.2-4.3 but isn't worth squat basically saying i look for quick and good route running rather than just straight line speed

[MR. WEBBER]

REP i prefer a guy that runs a 4.4-4.5 but can get open with his route running and catch the ball rather than have a guy that runs a 4.2-4.3 but isn't worth squat basically saying i look for quick and good route running rather than just straight line speed

wise well beyond your age. i like it. and you are right. look at jerry rice. didnt have blazing speed, but he didnt need it. no corner could stay step for step with him because of his route running skills.

perfect example of blazing speed and only a decent career is james jett of the raiders. give me someone who can run a great route and a decent 50 time over someone that can only run a fast straight line anyday.

[SB49er4life]

I actually get tired of hearing Jerry didn't have blazing speed when he actually did. Sure he didn't late in his career but early on he was called "flash 80" and had blazing speed. He just didn't run a good 40 time because the 40 is a dumb track event and not much of a football evaluator.

But all you had to do was watch a game to see the guy was blazing fast early in his career.

For real. People act like player are not allowed to improve their speed once they get drafted into the NFL.

Jerry Rice didn't torture himself running those hills just for ****s and giggles.