Trade Down!

[JiGGA]

With the news that Percy Harvin tested positive for marijuana (which will without a doubt hurt his stock) im starting to like the idea of trading down and adding picks.

The way i see it right now is that Nicks and Heyward-Bey may surpass Harvin siting "character issues" on Harvin's behalf.

NOW, Most of you seemed excited at the fact that BJ Raji tested positive for Marijuana and Steroids in college and said you'd hop all over him at #10 i figured you'd have no problem drafting any of the other pot smokers/juicers in the draft: Harvin (Marijuana), V. Davis (Marijuana), Cushing (Steroids), C. Matthews (Steroids), BJ Raji (Marijuana/Steroids).

I say no, trade down and add value.

I like Crabtree and i like Andre Smith but the fact of the matter is we have more holes to fill.

If we trade down with Philly we will throw ourselves into a pool of players that may arguably be just as good as the one we're in now. With picks #21 and #28 we are trading into the pool of Micheal Oher, Percy Harvin, Vontae Davis, Beanie Wells, Knowshon Moreno, Hakeem Nicks, DJ Moore, Alphonso Smith, Larry English, Darius Heyward-Bey and other very good players.

[Bivouac]

I like Crabtree and i like Andre Smith but the fact of the matter is we have more holes to fill.



Where? Backup positions behind other young, promising players we've recently drafted?

Like I said in a post a while back, the 49ers already have nine draft picks, only five or six of which even have a shot at making the 53-man roster. It only makes sense to draft the best possible five or six players because everyone else will be cut and fighting for practice squad positions.

What good are ten or eleven draft picks going to be for this team?

[G4LIFE]

I think Michael Oher will be picked in the top 15 so I doubt he will be there at 21 but I do like the idea of trading down.

[OsBoogie]

we need impact players.. if one is available at 10... no way I pass it up for what you have listed...

[Pnkpnther16]

I like our many options at 10. We are in good position in the later rounds anyway.

[OsBoogie]

One question for you Os, What is your definition of an impact player?

I guess it really is subjective... but I'm looking for a guy that could easily be a starter at the position on any NFL team... I'm talking just short of pro bowl... I would like to think a pro bowl caliber guy at 10...

nothing against trading down... but the top 10 - 12 guys really are a much higher grade than the rest of the first...

I just don't like to see a name like Larry English being used as a reason to pass up on Raji

the list at 28 isn't very good...

now if you told me Denver was giving us #12 and a 2nd round I'm on it (if my guy isn't there at 10)

truthfully, we need to get more great players on our team.. not just a bunch of role players... we need standouts.. and hopefully this is the last year we are picking in the top 10 to do so

[Benji]

no!

[G4LIFE]

we need impact players.. if one is available at 10... no way I pass it up for what you have listed...

One question for you Os, What is your definition of an impact player?

[OsBoogie]

I see what you mean, Everyone has their own opinion on which players could be pro-bowlers in 2 year or not even pro-bowlers at all and nobody is wrong for that.

I think there's a big drop off this year from the top 2 QB's (Stafford and Sanchez) and the top 2 WR's (Maclin and Crabtree) but as far as other positions I don't see that much of a gap especially for pass rushers. If Raji, J. Smith, A. Smith, Stafford, Monroe, Sanchez, Crabtree, Curry, and Maclin are all taken by the time we pick at 10 and we had a choice between Orakpo, Brown, and trading down I would do it.

I don't see much of difference taking Orakpo or Brown at 10, taking Maybin at 21, or taking Robert Ayers or Larry English at 28 because they're all raw and there's alot of upside betweem the 5 of them. Like Escobar said, there nobody after Haralson and Lawson so not matter what pass rusher we get is going to have a big impact early so why not trade down and draft a pass rusher later in first while acquiring an additional first rounder in the process.


according to your list... there's still Oher, Jenkins and Orakpo left... these 3 plus your 9 make my elite 12...

I do think Orakpo is a much better prospect than Brown... or Maybin.. Ayers isn't much of a 3-4 OLB to me and Larry English isn't in that class

at that point I rather get Connor Barwin or Sintim in the 2nd...

while I would love an extra first to pickup another RB or Nicks or Britt... I'd still like to have one of the top 12 prospects... a guy who is graded as a stud...

yes, the draft is a crapshoot... but prospects are graded for a reason...

[G4LIFE]

I guess it really is subjective... but I'm looking for a guy that could easily be a starter at the position on any NFL team... I'm talking just short of pro bowl... I would like to think a pro bowl caliber guy at 10...

nothing against trading down... but the top 10 - 12 guys really are a much higher grade than the rest of the first...

I just don't like to see a name like Larry English being used as a reason to pass up on Raji

the list at 28 isn't very good...

now if you told me Denver was giving us #12 and a 2nd round I'm on it (if my guy isn't there at 10)

truthfully, we need to get more great players on our team.. not just a bunch of role players... we need standouts.. and hopefully this is the last year we are picking in the top 10 to do so

I see what you mean, Everyone has their own opinion on which players could be pro-bowlers in 2 year or not even pro-bowlers at all and nobody is wrong for that.

I think there's a big drop off this year from the top 2 QB's (Stafford and Sanchez) and the top 2 WR's (Maclin and Crabtree) but as far as other positions I don't see that much of a gap especially for pass rushers. If Raji, J. Smith, A. Smith, Stafford, Monroe, Sanchez, Crabtree, Curry, and Maclin are all taken by the time we pick at 10 and we had a choice between Orakpo, Brown, and trading down I would do it.

I don't see much of difference taking Orakpo or Brown at 10, taking Maybin at 21, or taking Robert Ayers or Larry English at 28 because they're all raw and there's alot of upside betweem the 5 of them. Like Escobar said, there nobody after Haralson and Lawson so not matter what pass rusher we get is going to have a big impact early so why not trade down and draft a pass rusher later in first while acquiring an additional first rounder in the process.

[9erzallday]

With the news that Percy Harvin tested positive for marijuana (which will without a doubt hurt his stock) im starting to like the idea of trading down and adding picks.

The way i see it right now is that Nicks and Heyward-Bey may surpass Harvin siting "character issues" on Harvin's behalf.

NOW, Most of you seemed excited at the fact that BJ Raji tested positive for Marijuana and Steroids in college and said you'd hop all over him at #10 i figured you'd have no problem drafting any of the other pot smokers/juicers in the draft: Harvin (Marijuana), V. Davis (Marijuana), Cushing (Steroids), C. Matthews (Steroids), BJ Raji (Marijuana/Steroids).

I say no, trade down and add value.

I like Crabtree and i like Andre Smith but the fact of the matter is we have more holes to fill.

If we trade down with Philly we will throw ourselves into a pool of players that may arguably be just as good as the one we're in now. With picks #21 and #28 we are trading into the pool of Micheal Oher, Percy Harvin, Vontae Davis, Beanie Wells, Knowshon Moreno, Hakeem Nicks, DJ Moore, Alphonso Smith, Larry English, Darius Heyward-Bey and other very good players.

when did Raji ever test positive for steroids? Also, I dont know if you've been keeping track, but it's just been comfirmed that the accusations of the recent marijuana use were false. Why so hard on Raji? Can't you imagine Justin Smith, B.J. Raji side by side?

Other than that, I agree with trading down only if Sanchez is still on the board. This is because there are teams that would be anxious to pick him up, and we may be able to get a great deal for the pick. If that does occur, i like your picks late in round one. It would be great to get Heywar-Bey, Alphonso Smith, or even Vontae Davis. lol could you imagine Vernon and his little bro on the same team!? Doubt that one would happen though

[ninerman80]

#10 pick

Plan A - We take best available fit/need (OT, DT, DE)

Plan B - We take best available talent, there may not be an exact fit, but there will be an impact player still there.

Plan C - After acting on either plan A or B, we use our 2nd rounder to pick the best of the still available WR's at that time. There are about 11 decent WR's in this years draft, many of which will still be around at #43.

Plan D - If you failed to follow the prior plans, don't put this draft board away yet, midas well start thinking about what we should do with next years top 5 pick.

[Nevyn]

I think we should trade sideways

[Sky Valley]

Every year I advocate trading down, but not this year. Niners should go get one of the big OTs and don't second guess it.

[NinersFanatic]

With the news that Percy Harvin tested positive for marijuana (which will without a doubt hurt his stock) im starting to like the idea of trading down and adding picks.

The way i see it right now is that Nicks and Heyward-Bey may surpass Harvin siting "character issues" on Harvin's behalf.

With Crabtree, Maclin, Nicks, and Heyward-Bey all getting taken before Harvin, wouldn't he then fall to our second round pick? Why would we need to trade down.

[Leeding49er]

It rather depends who's around at 10. If the men that matter decide that no one on their 'value' board is available at 10, but Sanchez is around, we had better be looking at a trade down.

But it may be that Scotty still sees value in trading down, even if a decent player does fall at 10. I'd be all for it if it meant picking up an additional 2nd / 3rd round pick. The same might go with our 2nd round selection.