Who is the best OC for this current roster?

[Dem40Boyz]

Who do you think would be the best fit the roster that we have right now? i mean i think if we had this roster last year it would have been perfect for mike martz. With adding Crabtree i don't think we need to be smashmouth all day what do you think?

I know ah lot of people didn't like Martz but if we had him with this roster it would be crazy.

[DjDemix]

Wrong board, but I'd like to see what Raye can do. He's gotten good numbers out of fairly no-name TEs, as well as being Tony Gonzalez's TE coach for his first 4 years. If VD has a bad year this year, it's official. He's a bust.

There's all this talk that we will be running a power running offense. I think that's mostly a smokescreen, and we will be running a lot of play action, short yardage passes and screens. I wouldn't be surprised if Hill(or whoever our starting QB is) throws the ball 30 times a game. The draft lends further proof to my theory. Crabtree was the best WR in the draft. Coffee is a good receiver out of the backfield and can also pass block. Bear Pascoe is an old school TE that catches the ball well in traffic, and will allow Vernon to do something other than block.

[GoreScores]

This is the same roster as last year plus Crabtree & Martz failed....so pretty easy to say Raye should fit better....Hill can't throw the downfield passes Martz loves & our strength is the running game, which Martz hates....

[WhistlingMtn]

This is the same roster as last year plus Crabtree & Martz failed....so pretty easy to say Raye should fit better....Hill can't throw the downfield passes Martz loves & our strength is the running game, which Martz hates....

Please define to me how Martz failed?

49ers Offense Ranks

2004- 30thpts, 26th yards
2005- 30th points, 32nd yards
2006- 24th points, 26th yards
2007- 32nd pints, 32nd yards
2008- 22nd points, 23rd yards.

They improved 6 slots the year Norv was here and everyone was hailing him as a God, they improve 10 and 9 slots under Martz and he failed?

I'm not saying Martz was great, but he didn't fail, he did a great job of keeping people interested in the games.

I think Raye was an extremely conservative ( and thus extremely risky ) hire, but it could turn out very well if they are solid right off the bat and thus they stay around and develop a consistent offensive system over the next 4-5 years where linemen can gel together, and quarterbacks can gel with their receivers and running backs..

[GoreScores]

Please define to me how Martz failed?

49ers Offense Ranks

2004- 30thpts, 26th yards
2005- 30th points, 32nd yards
2006- 24th points, 26th yards
2007- 32nd pints, 32nd yards
2008- 22nd points, 23rd yards.

They improved 6 slots the year Norv was here and everyone was hailing him as a God, they improve 10 and 9 slots under Martz and he failed?

I'm not saying Martz was great, but he didn't fail, he did a great job of keeping people interested in the games.

I think Raye was an extremely conservative ( and thus extremely risky ) hire, but it could turn out very well if they are solid right off the bat and thus they stay around and develop a consistent offensive system over the next 4-5 years where linemen can gel together, and quarterbacks can gel with their receivers and running backs..

Really? You consider those numbers successful? I didn't say he was the worst in the league....I said he failed to turn the offense around....Which he did....ranking in the 20's doesn't equal success to me, & if it does to you then we can't argue as it's just personal opinion....But to me, you have a proven 1600 yard rb in Gore & he barely tops 1000....You start a turnover machine at qb, possibly costing us a playoff spot....That is not successful & honestly, I think the WORST that Raye can do is equal the numbers Martz put up last year....

[ViLE]

I like Mart'z scheme, However it leaves the defense vulnerable with our roster:

Martz = 5 or 6 wins
Raye = 8 or 9 wins

[WhistlingMtn]

Really? You consider those numbers successful?

Again, I'm comparing to what the team was, the previous year they had one of the worst offenses of all-time with almost an identical roster.

I didn't say he was the worst in the league....I said he failed to turn the offense around....Which he did....ranking in the 20's doesn't equal success to me

Well, then I think you had unrealistic expectations for him.

[QUOTE]f it does to you then we can't argue as it's just personal opinion....But to me, you have a proven 1600 yard rb in Gore & he barely tops 1000....[QUOTE]

Well, first off he played in 2 less games, second, his 2006 year was magical. He doesn't run the same as that anymore and will probably never have a 1700 yard season again. Are you going to say Raye failed this year if Gore rushes for 1100 yards?

[offtackle24]

lol martz's playcalling lost us three games. He wasnt the right oc.

[WhistlingMtn]

lol martz's playcalling lost us three games. He wasnt the right oc.

Blame him for the losses, but don't give credit for the wins or the fact that they were in the games they lost. Selective memories are wonderful.

[Ness]

Blame him for the losses, but don't give credit for the wins or the fact that they were in the games they lost. Selective memories are wonderful.

Let's not forget that Martz was the one who decided that O'Sullivan was "the guy" to go forward with, and that was obviously a terrible decision. If we had any other decent offensive coordinator that wasn't as well known, I think we would have done just fine with Shuan Hill at the helm. Really, I think Martz is still living off of that Super Bowl victory back in 1999 and that second Super Bowl appearance. In reality, he hasn't really done anything that notable since then.

[Blong4Ever]

Bill Walsh! Oh wait, Mike Shanahan!

[GoreScores]

Well, first off he played in 2 less games, second, his 2006 year was magical. He doesn't run the same as that anymore and will probably never have a 1700 yard season again. Are you going to say Raye failed this year if Gore rushes for 1100 yards?

If our offense ranks the exact same then yes, I will say Raye failed....I don't consider someone a success just because they "weren't as bad as the last guy".....If Raye can't produce a 1-15th ranked offense to give us a shot at winning with talent like Crabtree, Gore, & Bruce then he is no better than Martz....It's amazing to me you're defending mediocrity when clearly Martz had more to do with us missing the playoffs then he did in us winning those last few games....We had a few of those early games in the bag if it wasn't for JTO sucky & Martz not running the ball late in the game....

[WhistlingMtn]

If our offense ranks the exact same then yes, I will say Raye failed....I don't consider someone a success just because they "weren't as bad as the last guy".....If Raye can't produce a 1-15th ranked offense to give us a shot at winning with talent like Crabtree, Gore, & Bruce then he is no better than Martz....It's amazing to me you're defending mediocrity when clearly Martz had more to do with us missing the playoffs then he did in us winning those last few games....We had a few of those early games in the bag if it wasn't for JTO sucky & Martz not running the ball late in the game....

I think you are setting your expectations way too high if you think the 49ers offense will rank in the top half of the league.

I don't consider vast improvement to be "weren't as bad as the last guy." Nor do I consider it failure. He certainly made mistakes, but the fact that think someone failed if they make mistakes means you will think the 49ers fail every single year unless they win the super bowl.

[GoreScores]

I think you are setting your expectations way too high if you think the 49ers offense will rank in the top half of the league.

I don't consider vast improvement to be "weren't as bad as the last guy." Nor do I consider it failure. He certainly made mistakes, but the fact that think someone failed if they make mistakes means you will think the 49ers fail every single year unless they win the super bowl.

That's not true....Our defense ranked 13th last year & I would call that a success....That's a great improvement from the past year & it was with half the season playing the No-win hybrid scheme....So that I would consider a success & I don't think it's too much to hope for a top half of the league ranking....32 to 1st? Probably not....But I'm not gonna say Martz succeeded cuz he got us from 32nd to 22nd....We'll see what Raye can do with the same guys & if he gets us in the top half you'll know a lot of it (not all) was Martz....

[Twolf75]

i think ray fits our vision as well as our roster idk what it is i just have a good feeling about this guy

[offtackle24]

Blame him for the losses, but don't give credit for the wins or the fact that they were in the games they lost. Selective memories are wonderful.

those were the three losses i was talking about.

[The Jerm!]

I will never change my vote to Raye. :shoot:

[WhistlingMtn]

lol

now please post the sacks and turnover numbers that lost us ball games

I didn't realize that at the end of the game we counted up the number of sacks and turnovers to determine the winner. Thought it was about points. My bad.

[WhistlingMtn]

those were the three losses i was talking about.

Yes, that you were blaming Martz for the loss. But, how about the fact that they were even in the games rather than getting blown out or stuggling to score a TD at all ( do we all not remember 2007 already? )

[WhistlingMtn]

That's not true....Our defense ranked 13th last year & I would call that a success....[QUOTE]

The selective statistics continue.. they ranked 23rd in points allowed. Not a great red zone defense.

[QUOTE]That's a great improvement from the past year & it was with half the season playing the No-win hybrid scheme....

Also playing against the tougher half of the schedule.

So that I would consider a success & I don't think it's too much to hope for a top half of the league ranking

It is a lot to expect for the 49ers to be in the top half of the league for yards or points scored. An extremely large amount to expect if you ask me. Chances are they are going to try to have a really slow offense that can have 6 minute drives come away with no points and punt at the opponents 40. Try to get 13-10 games, which is fine, but it won't allow for a top 15 offense.

....32 to 1st? Probably not....But I'm not gonna say Martz succeeded cuz he got us from 32nd to 22nd....We'll see what Raye can do with the same guys & if he gets us in the top half you'll know a lot of it (not all) was Martz....

I think Martz did exactly what he was asked to do. He came in and put points on the board, then when he was asked to tone it down and run more, he did that. All the while they scored more touchdowns, were better in the red zone, and just better in general than the previous 5 years of 49er offensive football.

I wanted him gone just the same as everyone because his style wasn't going to work for the long haul, but to say he failed is just not correct. I'm sorry, it is not.