View Full Version : We should have drafted Huff
49erfaith1121
10-02-2006, 06:39 PM
I am not going to put question marks or ask for your opnions. Im gonna say it: we should have drafted Michael Huff with the 6 pick. First off let me tell you that I am not saying this because Vernon Davis has had a whopping 2 bad games; he is going to be an amazing TE, but we did not need him. Not only did we have a 100 reception TE in Eric Johnson, but we also had a glaring need for secondary help. Michael Huff will be the next Roy Williams, he is hard nose defnder, hits hard, plays great coverage, and would have been so much cheaper. Our secondary is SO BAD. Part of the reason why we have no pass rush is because our CBs and Safteys get burned so quickyl the QB already has a target to hit. Everyone knows ho hard it is to sign a good qualty SB/S in te FA, they only coast an arm and a leg. Michael Huff would have helped us so much ,wether he played S or CB. VD is gonna be good, but I really think we needed something else. A great DB will change a whole entire game. Right nowwe have Spencer at number 1 CB, who had a prtty bad game against the Chiefs last Sunday, and Walt Harris at number 2, who is past his prime a the type of guy who oppnents ask "who the hell is that?"
Basically, now I'm saying that because we didnt draft a talen lke Huff, this draft I want a stud CB with our 1ST ROUND PICK. Then in the seocnd a LB or DT, and in the third another DB. Just look at the past top 15 DBs selected (Roy Williams, Pacman Jones, Deangello Williams, etc.)
This is nothing against VD, I love and support him, but I think that Huff could have had more of an impact and may have a more clear future as a DB in the NFL.
IowaNinersFan
10-02-2006, 06:40 PM
Huff's the reason why the Faiders are #1 in defense. :pigfly:
49erfaith1121
10-02-2006, 06:41 PM
Huff's the reason why the Faiders are #1 in defense. :pigfly:
He is a rookie for a reason...not too many rookies are doing so hot right now as it is
I am not going to put question marks or ask for your opnions. Im gonna say it: we should have drafted Michael Huff with the 6 pick. First off let me tell you that I am not saying this because Vernon Davis has had a whopping 2 bad games; he is going to be an amazing TE, but we did not need him. Not only did we have a 100 reception TE in Eric Johnson, but we also had a glaring need for secondary help. Michael Huff will be the next Roy Williams, he is hard nose defnder, hits hard, plays great coverage, and would have been so much cheaper. Our secondary is SO BAD. Part of the reason why we have no pass rush is because our CBs and Safteys get burned so quickyl the QB already has a target to hit. Everyone knows ho hard it is to sign a good qualty SB/S in te FA, they only coast an arm and a leg. Michael Huff would have helped us so much ,wether he played S or CB. VD is gonna be good, but I really think we needed something else. A great DB will change a whole entire game. Right nowwe have Spencer at number 1 CB, who had a prtty bad game against the Chiefs last Sunday, and Walt Harris at number 2, who is past his prime a the type of guy who oppnents ask "who the hell is that?"
Basically, now I'm saying that because we didnt draft a talen lke Huff, this draft I want a stud CB with our 1ST ROUND PICK. Then in the seocnd a LB or DT, and in the third another DB. Just look at the past top 15 DBs selected (Roy Williams, Pacman Jones, Deangello Williams, etc.)
This is nothing against VD, I love and support him, but I think that Huff could have had more of an impact and may have a more clear future as a DB in the NFL.
You're not looking at the big picture, the team isn't trying to win right now. Vernon Davis > Michael Huff. Just my opinion.
ninerfaninTB
10-02-2006, 06:49 PM
in hindsight, yes we should have drafted huff. i absolutly love davis and i think he'll be very good down the road. but huff is what we truely NEEDED. ej has shown that he is very good. i like knowing that we have the duke for a 2 TE set w/ ej. i was one of the ones saying we should draft davis b/c of how well he looked in college and the combine. but huff may be the threat we needed in the future in the secondary. but maybe we could look at laron landry in this upcoming draft.
*IMO, roy williams is one of the worst cover safeties in the league.
nolanlover
10-02-2006, 06:54 PM
why we drafted davis over huff:
vernon davis is more exciting and has more hype
exciting player + hype = increased ticket sales
a high powered offense sells more tickets than a shut down defense with no offense.
in hindsight, yes we should have drafted huff. i absolutly love davis and i think he'll be very good down the road. but huff is what we truely NEEDED. ej has shown that he is very good. i like knowing that we have the duke for a 2 TE set w/ ej. i was one of the ones saying we should draft davis b/c of how well he looked in college and the combine. but huff may be the threat we needed in the future in the secondary. but maybe we could look at laron landry in this upcoming draft.
*IMO, roy williams is one of the worst cover safeties in the league.I don't think you should draft by needs that early in round 1. You take the BPA. Also EJ is probably gone next season so Vernon shores up the TE position for years to come.
ninerfaninTB
10-02-2006, 07:02 PM
I don't think you should draft by needs that early in round 1. You take the BPA. Also EJ is probably gone next season so Vernon shores up the TE position for years to come.
thats true, i agree that that early a team shouldnt draft so much a need as much the bpa, however huff was the 7th overall pick, niners drafted 6th. IMO huff was easily worth the 6th overall pick. dont get me wrong, i am thrilled to have VD in a niner uni. but huff IMO, was both a need and one of the bpa at the time along w/ davis. i guess i should have clearified a little better , my minds everywhere right now (im watching football,surfing the net and doing homework at the same time,lol)
thats true, i agree that that early a team shouldnt draft so much a need as much the bpa, however huff was the 7th overall pick, niners drafted 6th. IMO huff was easily worth the 6th overall pick. dont get me wrong, i am thrilled to have VD in a niner uni. but huff IMO, was both a need and one of the bpa at the time along w/ davis. i guess i should have clearified a little better , my minds everywhere right now (im watching football,surfing the net and doing homework at the same time,lol)Yeah but the consensus was that VD was ranked higher than Huff. Prospects like VD aren't common and while Huff is exremely talented his upside isn't as high as VD's IMO.
UtterlyHopeless
10-02-2006, 07:51 PM
I am not going to put question marks or ask for your opnions. Im gonna say it: we should have drafted Michael Huff with the 6 pick. First off let me tell you that I am not saying this because Vernon Davis has had a whopping 2 bad games; he is going to be an amazing TE, but we did not need him. Not only did we have a 100 reception TE in Eric Johnson, but we also had a glaring need for secondary help. Michael Huff will be the next Roy Williams, he is hard nose defnder, hits hard, plays great coverage, and would have been so much cheaper. Our secondary is SO BAD. Part of the reason why we have no pass rush is because our CBs and Safteys get burned so quickyl the QB already has a target to hit. Everyone knows ho hard it is to sign a good qualty SB/S in te FA, they only coast an arm and a leg. Michael Huff would have helped us so much ,wether he played S or CB. VD is gonna be good, but I really think we needed something else. A great DB will change a whole entire game. Right nowwe have Spencer at number 1 CB, who had a prtty bad game against the Chiefs last Sunday, and Walt Harris at number 2, who is past his prime a the type of guy who oppnents ask "who the hell is that?"
Basically, now I'm saying that because we didnt draft a talen lke Huff, this draft I want a stud CB with our 1ST ROUND PICK. Then in the seocnd a LB or DT, and in the third another DB. Just look at the past top 15 DBs selected (Roy Williams, Pacman Jones, Deangello Williams, etc.)
This is nothing against VD, I love and support him, but I think that Huff could have had more of an impact and may have a more clear future as a DB in the NFL.
eric johnson 82 receptions
deangelo williams is a rookie running back with carolina panthers.(and looking good so far)
UtterlyHopeless
10-02-2006, 07:52 PM
also, with vernon out there he helps our wr's get open
BrentJones84
10-02-2006, 07:54 PM
, this draft I want a stud CB with our 1ST ROUND PICK. .
Rumph was a STUD #1 round pick, who was considered a shut down corner in college.
We can see how well that worked out for us.
Sammy Davis was a stud 1st round pick at CB, and well.... yeah....
I am not going to put question marks or ask for your opnions. Im gonna say it: we should have drafted Michael Huff with the 6 pick. First off let me tell you that I am not saying this because Vernon Davis has had a whopping 2 bad games; he is going to be an amazing TE, but we did not need him. Not only did we have a 100 reception TE in Eric Johnson, but we also had a glaring need for secondary help. Michael Huff will be the next Roy Williams, he is hard nose defnder, hits hard, plays great coverage, and would have been so much cheaper. Our secondary is SO BAD. Part of the reason why we have no pass rush is because our CBs and Safteys get burned so quickyl the QB already has a target to hit. Everyone knows ho hard it is to sign a good qualty SB/S in te FA, they only coast an arm and a leg. Michael Huff would have helped us so much ,wether he played S or CB. VD is gonna be good, but I really think we needed something else. A great DB will change a whole entire game. Right nowwe have Spencer at number 1 CB, who had a prtty bad game against the Chiefs last Sunday, and Walt Harris at number 2, who is past his prime a the type of guy who oppnents ask "who the hell is that?"
Basically, now I'm saying that because we didnt draft a talen lke Huff, this draft I want a stud CB with our 1ST ROUND PICK. Then in the seocnd a LB or DT, and in the third another DB. Just look at the past top 15 DBs selected (Roy Williams, Pacman Jones, Deangello Williams, etc.)
This is nothing against VD, I love and support him, but I think that Huff could have had more of an impact and may have a more clear future as a DB in the NFL.
http://www.hboasia.com/images/posters/378x195/back_to_the_future_part_ii.jpg
"NOOOO!!! We MUST go to a point before the draft to eliminate this bizarre reality and select the proper guys... I have a list right here!! Michael Huff (well, it's not like he's tearing it up, but I'll bear with you), Nick Mangold, Jason Hatcher, Ko Simpson, Greg Blue and Marques Colston. Hop on the DeLorean, Marty!"
Come on...
Rumph was a STUD #1 round pick, who was considered a shut down corner in college.
We can see how well that worked out for us.
Sammy Davis was a stud 1st round pick at CB, and well.... yeah....
Worse yet.
Willie effin Middlebrooks.
ninerfaninTB
10-02-2006, 08:13 PM
Yeah but the consensus was that VD was ranked higher than Huff. Prospects like VD aren't common and while Huff is exremely talented his upside isn't as high as VD's IMO.
im definitly not arguing w/ ya rexi. i do believe that vd was and very well could be a better player in the nfl than huff. im just saying that huff has such amazing upside w/ having so much talent already. IMO w/ what we needed and what he offers w/ being one of the bpa at the time, i just think that huff may have been the better choice there. but only time can tell. lets just hope vd comes out and proves he's worth the contract.
BrentJones84
10-02-2006, 08:14 PM
Worse yet.
Willie effin Middlebrooks.
Oh yeah, how could I forget?? He was a 1st round pick too.
Speaking of, I forgot about this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2321203
Updated: Feb. 6, 2006, 2:06 PM ET
LITTLETON, Colo. -- Former NFL cornerback Willie Middlebrooks pleaded guilty Monday to a misdemeanor assault charge stemming from an alleged fight with a female friend on New Year's Day 2005.
Middlebrooks, 26, was given an 18-month deferred jail sentence and ordered to complete nine months of domestic violence classes, said district attorney's spokeswoman Kathleen Walsh.
Triple Threat
10-02-2006, 08:54 PM
Even though we are in desperate need of secondary, we made the right decision. at the time our offense was terrible and vernon was the best offensive player not named bush.
The only bad thing about drafting VD and not Huff is that this year we will have to address defense and won't be able to take Calvin Johnson who will be better than both of them.
NinersFanatic
10-02-2006, 08:58 PM
Huff's the reason why the Faiders are #1 in defense. :pigfly:
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but that Raiders defense isn't doing that bad. I think they're ranked #9 in total D but I'm not sure...
BrentJones84
10-02-2006, 09:10 PM
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but that Raiders defense isn't doing that bad. I think they're ranked #9 in total D but I'm not sure...
They are #9 in terms of least amount of yardage given up.
But in terms of points given up, they are 15th or so.
NinersFanatic
10-02-2006, 09:43 PM
They are #9 in terms of least amount of yardage given up.
But in terms of points given up, they are 15th or so.
Well that has alot to do with their offense giving up turnovers, going 3 and out, etc... and putting opposing offenses in good field position. I think the "amount of yards given up" stat is a bigger indicaton of how well this defense is doing while the "points given up" stat is an indication of how the team as a whole is doing.
Eric 80
10-02-2006, 09:46 PM
Not true. We should have drafted VD.
He looks better in a Niner uni.:baghead:
BrentJones84
10-02-2006, 09:47 PM
Well that has alot to do with their offense giving up turnovers, going 3 and out, etc... and putting opposing offenses in good field position. I think the "amount of yards given up" stat is a bigger indicaton of how well this defense is doing while the "points given up" stat is an indication of how the team as a whole is doing.
Not really. With the Riaders offense putting the oppossing offense in good positions, the Raiders can give up points without many yards.
In the Faiders case, It doesn't mean the defense is any good, just that the opposing team doesn't have far to go to score.
NinersFanatic
10-02-2006, 09:48 PM
Not true. We should have drafted VD.
He looks better in a Niner uni.:baghead:
With his dread locks sticking out the back of his helmet. :cool:
NinersFanatic
10-02-2006, 09:52 PM
Not really. With the Riaders offense putting the oppossing offense in good positions, the Raiders can give up points without many yards.
In the Faiders case, It doesn't mean the defense is any good, just that the opposing team doesn't have far to go to score.
Well, I guess it's both... but i'm sure there's been a few TD's/fumbles returned for TD's by opposing defenses. That adds to the points given up. Either way, #15 in points given up isn't that bad.
Viper
10-02-2006, 10:18 PM
We made the right decision! Huff will be a good player but Safety is one of the easiest positions to shore up later in the draft or in free agency. There have been very few Safety's taken in the top 10 in the last 15 years. Ed Reed was taken in the early 20's and Troy was taken late teen's. After attending last Sunday's Raider game and watching Huff in person, I saw nothing that would indicate that he was a player in thier league, let alone deserving to be drafted much higher. I also think the Raiders were very foolish to take Huff with their pick.
The Vin
10-02-2006, 11:00 PM
3 words:
Best Player Available.
Drafting solely based on need isn't always the way to go. In fact, I'd say that's been the catalyst for a lot of our draft picks not panning out or being complete busts recently. We've been forced into thinking we need to replace a vetran with a rookie at a position and get tunnel vision, missing on a lot of other talented players.
In terms of draft grades and pure talent VD > Michael Huff.
And it's not like we couldn't have used an offensive playmaker last year.
Eric 80
10-02-2006, 11:11 PM
um anyone notice Huff isn't playing well at all so why would he even be considered? i would much rather have VD
I would rather have VD and Vernon Davis.:surrender:
verbicide
10-03-2006, 04:34 AM
Weren't the Raiders originally so worried about his lack of speed that they were moving him to LB? Doesn't sound like any stud player I know.
CSULB49er
10-03-2006, 07:16 AM
No, we shouldn't have.
Has he helped the Raiders win any games?
Has he scored?
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