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Pound th' Rock

08-30-2009, 02:42 AM

Hmmmm. Well to be honest, I don't have a good enough feel for all of the talent out in college football to put together a full draft at this point, and I will give you props on actually breaking down why you made each pick.

That being said, I'm not a big fan of the positions we're taking.

First off, MLB with our first 1st round pick simply will not happen. Spikes is playing at a high level and has another year on his contract after this season. After that, McKillop looks to be the heir apparent.

I don't know much about Jarrett Brown, but he hasn't been in the discussion much as one of the top QB's in next year's draft. Not the cream of the crop at least of Bradford, McCoy, and Snead. I like us picking a QB in round one though.

I'll never complain with us selecting a pass rusher.

Selecting a center is another luxury pick. Heitmann is solid and has proven to be durable, plus we have Cody Wallace waiting on deck. This pick won't happen. It's much more likely that we take a tackle since that's where we actually need more talent.

WiltonDeportes

08-30-2009, 03:00 AM

First off, MLB with our first 1st round pick simply will not happen. Spikes is playing at a high level and has another year on his contract after this season. After that, McKillop looks to be the heir apparent.
Spikes is getting up there in age, but yes he has been very good. Johnson doesn't have to start as a rookie. I think he could also play OLB if it means getting him on the field. I'm not the biggest McKillop fan. He looks like a clone of Ulbrich only a little bigger and slower. He really hasn't shown me all that much other than instincts.

I don't know much about Jarrett Brown, but he hasn't been in the discussion much as one of the top QB's in next year's draft. Not the cream of the crop at least of Bradford, McCoy, and Snead. I like us picking a QB in round one though.
Brown has never had much of a chance with Pat White there. His senior year should be his coming out party though. WVU is planning on passing more to take advantage of this guy's ability.

I'll never complain with us selecting a pass rusher.
haha agreed! There doesn't seem to be a high profile 3-4 OLB guy that I like this year. Cole is the best sleeper I have found yet.

Selecting a center is another luxury pick. Heitmann is solid and has proven to be durable, plus we have Cody Wallace waiting on deck. This pick won't happen. It's much more likely that we take a tackle since that's where we actually need more talent.
Heitmann is a very solid center. He's not quite as good as he used to be though and is getting a little older. Again, rookies don't have to start in their first year. Baas will be a free agent after the year so we will need interior line depth and Tennant is versatile enough to play either position (as is Heitmann).
edit: I haven't had a chance to see if Wallace has progressed this year yet.
edit2: I really liked what I saw from Boone. I think he is our RT of the future.

Pound th' Rock

08-30-2009, 03:19 AM

Just off the top of my head, I'd prefer our draft to go like this:

I'll say we pick at #13 and #22.

1a) QB, Jevan Snead - Ole Miss

1b) OLB, Sergio Kindle - Texas (there are about 6 other pass rushers I'm intrigued by at this point)

2) OT, Ciron Black - L.S.U.

3) S, Reshad Jones - Georgia

4) DL, Brian Price - UCLA

I have no idea how this season will go, but I'd like to see us address QB, OT, and pass rusher early.

(NOTE: If we get great QB play, Godwilling, out of our team this year, then I won't be as much for getting a QB in round 1)

49ersforlife5x

08-30-2009, 10:50 AM

1. Jarrett Brown QB West Virginia
Brown is an incredibly talented player. Athletically, he is 6'4" 220 with 4.5-4.6 40 speed. As a football player, he is undefeated as a starter, has a very nice arm, shows good touch, and seems like a smart QB. It goes without saying that his scrambling ability is fantastic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiW5QoLQpr8

1. Micah Johnson MLB Kentucky
Johnson is massive linebacker with very quick feet and good speed. Put him next to Willis and you have the top ILB duo of all the 3-4 teams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc7RoALOZfM

2. Matt Tennant C Boston College
Tenant is a very athletic center. He goes at about 6'4" 295 and uses his length and smarts to take out defensive tackles. His strength is improving.

3. Justin Cole OLB San Jose State
Cole is the rangy edge rusher we have been looking for in the draft. He should be around 6'3" 250 at draft time. He can run the arch and has long arms.
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/sports/watch/v11602865xTJ3Sqd

4. Jerome Murphy CB South Florida
Murphy is a 6'1" 190 speedy corner. A big hitter with 67 tackles last year. He probably doesn't drop this far in the draft, but who knows what the draft stock is going to look like in 8 months.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YheYAaRrRA

5. Dan Williams NT Tennessee
Williams has prototypical nose tackle size. He's about 6'2" 327 and is very stout vs the run. He shows some bull rush ability too.

6. Riley Cooper WR Florida
Cooper would immediately become our tallest WR. He is a listed 6'3" and is a good all around WR. Good route running, good at catching balls over the middle, good jump ball guy, and good downfield blocker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhanjBm6G70

7. Kurtis Gregory OG Missouri
Gregory is a tall guard at 6'5" 305. He is very smart too being named 1st team All Big Ten Academic for 2 years in a row (06-07). He ran on his high school's 4x100m team so you know he has some athleticism too. I think his ability is clear as a pass blocker. Run game wise, he uses those long arms to maul and keep the defensive tackles' arms off him. Coming off arthroscopic surgery.

How would this help our team? I'm not touching a Bill Stewart QB.

Max_Power

08-30-2009, 11:15 AM

Ummm...

Viper

08-30-2009, 11:43 AM

Just off the top of my head, I'd prefer our draft to go like this:

I'll say we pick at #13 and #22.

1a) QB, Jevan Snead - Ole Miss

1b) OLB, Sergio Kindle - Texas (there are about 6 other pass rushers I'm intrigued by at this point)

2) OT, Ciron Black - L.S.U.

3) S, Reshad Jones - Georgia

4) DL, Brian Price - UCLA

II have no idea how this season will go, but I'd like to see us address QB, OT, and pass rusher early.

(NOTE: If we get great QB play, Godwilling, out of our team this year, then I won't be as much for getting a QB in round 1)

I would be much happier with this draft. I question whethter Black will be there in the second.

SF1981bornfan

08-30-2009, 12:06 PM

Ummm...

:laugh:

Escobar

08-30-2009, 01:19 PM

big fans of Micah Johnson and Matt Tennant..

and I like what I've heard about Justin Cole.

BUT

hate the idea of grabbing a QB in the 1st, and while Jarrett Brown could be good; probably isn't even worth a 1st round pick.

Also Micah Johnson is a 3rd or 4th round pick. and Justin Cole is probably around a late 1st/early 2nd at this point

49ersz

08-30-2009, 08:23 PM

I don't like Jarrett Brown in the first round.

belgium49er

08-31-2009, 02:11 AM

We will need either a NT,OT or OLB with our first pick, cuz we dont need a QB or MLB now cuz we have Davis and McKillop

Vivek49erFan

08-31-2009, 03:09 AM

Ummm...

thats what I said...Id shoot for a guy like Eric Berry or Ndamukong Suh with our first pick and if our QB situation is truly shaky by the end of the year then Jevan Snead with the second (if hes still there).

9ernation94

09-01-2009, 01:16 PM

We need QB,OT,CB,SS and DT in my opinion! as of right now... I don't care which order we take them in either.

NinerCapHell

09-01-2009, 01:28 PM

I'll say we pick at #13 and #22.

1a) QB, Jevan Snead - Ole Miss

Snead won't be around at #13. He'll be the first QB taken, possibly #1 overall.

Pound th' Rock

09-01-2009, 02:06 PM

Snead won't be around at #13. He'll be the first QB taken, possibly #1 overall.

That's what they said about Matt Leinart.

NinerCapHell

09-01-2009, 02:34 PM

That's what they said about Matt Leinart.

Snead is actually a good prospect. Leinart was a garbage prospect with poor accuracy, poor attitude and a weak arm.

Max_Power

09-01-2009, 05:19 PM

Snead is actually a good prospect. Leinart was a garbage prospect with poor accuracy, poor attitude and a weak arm.

Indeeeeeeeeeeed. Don't forget that he thrived because of his stellar supporting cast.

Escobar

09-01-2009, 05:23 PM

We need QB,OT,CB,SS and DT in my opinion! as of right now... I don't care which order we take them in either.

SS?

I think you mean FS

WiltonDeportes

09-04-2009, 02:11 AM

thats what I said...Id shoot for a guy like Eric Berry or Ndamukong Suh with our first pick and if our QB situation is truly shaky by the end of the year then Jevan Snead with the second (if hes still there).

Suh would be wasted in a 3-4 because his M.O. is penetration not controlling 2 gaps. We probably won't have a pick in the top 20 and keep in mind how much draft stock can change in a year.

offtackle24

09-04-2009, 02:24 AM

Suh would be wasted in a 3-4 because his M.O. is penetration not controlling 2 gaps. We probably won't have a pick in the top 20 and keep in mind how much draft stock can change in a year.

actually that just makes him more appealing to me. On passing downs he will force the inside to account for him leaving one on one match ups for the pass rushers. He has the strength to play the nose as well on running situations.

Escobar

09-04-2009, 02:33 AM

here would be my early 2010 mock in Sept. :

(just for the hell of it)

1. Anthony Davis RT Rutgers*
1. Brandon Lang OLB Troy
2. Matt Tennant C Boston College
3. DeMarcus Granger DL Oklahoma
4. Micah Johnson ILB Kentucky
5. Stephan Virgil CB Virginia Tech
6. Andrew Lewis G/C Oklahoma St.
7. Quinton Andrews SS North Alabama

*JR

I took my projected rounds off of NFL Draft Scout... but I think some of the guys (Granger, Johnson) are listed at lower rounds because they're returning from injuries

WiltonDeportes

09-04-2009, 07:56 PM

actually that just makes him more appealing to me. On passing downs he will force the inside to account for him leaving one on one match ups for the pass rushers. He has the strength to play the nose as well on running situations.

I don't think so. From what I have seen, he is not the best at taking on blockers.

By the way guys, I did some thinking and adjusted the mock. I think this one is much more realistic because I think all the players could be there at those picks.

WiltonDeportes

09-14-2009, 10:50 AM

updated

NinerCapHell

09-14-2009, 11:04 AM

1. Anthony Davis RT Rutgers*

sex.

DavidSt.Hubbins

09-14-2009, 12:40 PM

Draft this man with one of our 1st round picks:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/Hiller.jpg
Tim Hiller Western Michigan University

SF1981bornfan

09-14-2009, 03:38 PM

Draft this man with one of our 1st round picks:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/Hiller.jpg
Tim Hiller Western Michigan University

Forrest Gump?

49ers169

09-14-2009, 05:37 PM

Suh would be wasted in a 3-4 because his M.O. is penetration not controlling 2 gaps. We probably won't have a pick in the top 20 and keep in mind how much draft stock can change in a year.

I don't think he would be wasted in a 3-4. His athleticism would allow him to excel at any 3-4 spot but more likely at a end spot rather than a NT spot.

He is a lot like a Vince Wilfork in my early opinion, will admit I have not seen loads on him, as in the fact that he has the ability to get up field quickly and beat a guy one on one.

With doing this it is going to force teams to double team him or Suh will burn them.

That said I think there are other areas of need rather than spending another early first rounder on the defensive line. Albeit we have only played one game.

DavidSt.Hubbins

09-14-2009, 05:42 PM

Forrest Gump?

Just the best QB in the state of Michigan....including Matt Stafford and Duante Culpepper.

WiltonDeportes

09-14-2009, 07:28 PM

Forrest Gump?

hahahaha

and Hiller...he's solid but nothing special to me

WiltonDeportes

09-14-2009, 07:37 PM

I don't think he would be wasted in a 3-4. His athleticism would allow him to excel at any 3-4 spot but more likely at a end spot rather than a NT spot.

He is a lot like a Vince Wilfork in my early opinion, will admit I have not seen loads on him, as in the fact that he has the ability to get up field quickly and beat a guy one on one.

With doing this it is going to force teams to double team him or Suh will burn them.

That said I think there are other areas of need rather than spending another early first rounder on the defensive line. Albeit we have only played one game.

Actually I just watched more of him and was a lot more impressed than I was the first time. I really don't see a need for us to draft a D-lineman unless it's a 3-4 nose or a 4-3 end. We have plently of everything else. Suh doesn't look big or strong enough to be a nose, but I'll keep an eye on him.

WiltonDeportes

09-25-2009, 03:02 AM

Hey everyone...I have been studying defenses a little so I made this update to my mock. Let me know what you think. Actually everything except for "WE ARE NOT CHANGING TO THE 3-4." I believe Hardy would help us the most at pass rush in the entire draft and getting him would give us a better 4-3 defense.

Gof the Gij

09-25-2009, 03:07 AM

Not too high on Hardy.

Bandwagon49

09-25-2009, 03:34 AM

Not too high on Hardy.

He's soft!

Bandwagon49

09-25-2009, 03:36 AM

Sure hope we don't waste our picks like this mock...

OsBoogie

09-25-2009, 06:11 AM

"WE ARE NOT CHANGING TO THE 3-4."

because our defense really needs to change right now!

49ers169

09-25-2009, 10:40 AM

Not too high on Hardy.

Neither am I. If we go pass rusher in the first I would prefer Kindle as he can play a 4-3 DE and a 3-4 OLB in a hybrid type defense.

beasley for pres

09-25-2009, 10:42 AM

No.

Pound th' Rock

09-25-2009, 11:22 AM

No.

QFT

Wikedjug

09-25-2009, 12:02 PM

Lawson would still play OLB in a 4-3.

WiltonDeportes

09-25-2009, 03:31 PM

because our defense really needs to change right now!
There's some history to good defenses changing either way and getting better. To me, it's better for a couple reasons.

#1, I think it's a better match against the spread offense which is rising in the NFL. In fact, it's better against the pass in general because you have 4 guys with a real shot at the QB in pass rush. In the 3-4, you have atleast 1 blitzer and he has a shot at the QB but usually those 3 other guys are much more run stoppers than anything else. In our 3-4 defense I'll give you 2 because Smith can get to the QB.

#2, our personnel still fits it and getting a player like Hardy would give us a better pass rush. Also, I think a Patrick Willis type player can shine more in the 4-3 thus playing to our strengths. I don't think we would lose too much in run defense because we can put a couple very large DTs out there on run downs and we have good players to make substitutions for pass rush.

Lawson would still play OLB in a 4-3.

He might be...I wasn't sure where to put a couple of those guys because they have some skills for either spot DE or OLB (or DT-DE). We have very versatile players for the 4-3. Smith could kick in on passing downs to DT and we could bring in another DE...etc.

Neither am I. If we go pass rusher in the first I would prefer Kindle as he can play a 4-3 DE and a 3-4 OLB in a hybrid type defense.

I don't think Kindle would play DE in a 4-3. He's much more of a linebacker than a tweener.

Not too high on Hardy.

He's soft!

He's just had some nagging injuries and he won't be 22 until next July. He had the foot injury last year, he had an ankle sprain in the first game this year...I think if the team doctors gave us their approval at the combine I would take him because he is the best DE in the country when healthy and I think his injuries have been kinda fluky. He even got into a car crash this summer...

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-08-14/ole-miss-de-greg-hardy-eases-final-season

That article explains all his injuries except for the ankle sprain in the opener this year.

Gof the Gij

09-25-2009, 04:09 PM

If we're going 43 DE, I'd rather have Corey Wootton than Hardy.

WiltonDeportes

09-25-2009, 04:14 PM

If we're going 43 DE, I'd rather have Corey Wootton than Hardy.

He's really good too. I just prefer Hardy right now until I know more. Wootton is REALLY good actually...

49ers169

09-25-2009, 10:17 PM

If we're going 43 DE, I'd rather have Corey Wootton than Hardy.

I agree with this.

SF1981bornfan

09-25-2009, 11:09 PM

If we're going 43 DE, I'd rather have Corey Wootton than Hardy.

if he gets healthy and returns back to his dominate ways I def would take him in either D...

sf2nyniners

09-28-2009, 01:59 PM

WiltonDeportes

09-29-2009, 04:30 AM

In this update, we take 2 DE's and move to a 4-3. I am making a big assumption that Markus White goes pro, but I could see it happening coming from FSU. How does this future front 4 sound?

DE-Greg Romeus
DT-Ricky Jean Francois
DT-Kentwan Balmer
DE-Markus White

I have more to say about the 4-3 but I'll save that for tomorrow because I'm tired.

OsBoogie

09-29-2009, 06:23 AM

http://www.wedoiteverymonth.com/bumblebee_man-thumb-250x183.jpg

WiltonDeportes

09-29-2009, 10:24 PM

my dream is to get both Eric Berry and Brandon Spikes in the 1st round (i know that in order to get both Berry and Spikes we woudl have to do poorly along with Car but like i said its a dream).

What i think is gonna happen is Berry with Carolinas pick (top 5), and then a RT or NT with our pick (mid 20's)

I'd be happy with Spikes and Berry because those are 2 future pro bowlers. The only problem is that we have players at those spots already (Spikes moreso than Berry). We could move people around if we got Berry because of his playmaking ability, but Spikes? I just don't see us getting him unless we play him at outside linebacker. Now if we went 4-3 and made our linebacker core: Spikes-Willis-Spikes...THAT would be impressive.

WiltonDeportes

10-04-2009, 10:51 PM

Alright I am understanding the 3-4 even more now with the way we run it compared to the traditional Parcells type 3-4. We are getting a lot of pressure now too so I am not as worried about that. I also had some time yesterday and today to watch some TiVoed college games. Jarrett Brown is still pretty raw despite showing flashes. Watching Jake Locker vs Notre Dame convinced me that he is going to be a star QB in the NFL. I think I'm going to stick with this mock for a while because I've had a chance to see most of these guys play so let me have it now if you don't like it or applaud me if you do.

OsBoogie

10-05-2009, 06:56 AM

I like Dan Williams... depending on where we pick... but I'm thinking our first pick will be too early for Locker...

WiltonDeportes

10-20-2009, 03:19 AM

I like Dan Williams... depending on where we pick... but I'm thinking our first pick will be too early for Locker...

I'm just hoping Locker WILL be there when we pick. There's no telling what will happen with his stock and the other QBs in the draft. Williams destroyed the Florida O-line from the parts of the game that I saw. He is one of the better nose tackles I have seen in college recently.

PS updated the draft

WhistlingMtn

10-20-2009, 06:22 AM

OsBoogie

10-20-2009, 06:54 AM

I'm just hoping Locker WILL be there when we pick. There's no telling what will happen with his stock and the other QBs in the draft. Williams destroyed the Florida O-line from the parts of the game that I saw. He is one of the better nose tackles I have seen in college recently.

PS updated the draft

put Williams swap round 3 and 4... and I'd prefer Anthony Davis to Capers... but I'm not mad

baylegend42

10-20-2009, 01:34 PM

How about Dan LeFevour as a QB pick in the mid-late rounds? He played as a freshman an Central Michigan and puts up pretty solid numbers every year both passing and rushing. Could be a solid pick in the later rounds so we can use our early picks on a safety, DT, OL and/or pass rusher

WiltonDeportes

10-20-2009, 04:46 PM

Yea, love Williams, but I think he goes in the low 2nd / high 3rd.

I noticed you don't have Baas on the roster. Very very slim chance of that happening, he's a restricted free agent with the no-cap thing. Would be stupid to not give him the 1st and 3rd tender to bring him back.

O good call. I was thinking he was unrestricted. And about Williams, that's possible. I just haven't seen anyone rank him very high yet. Also, the first 3 rounds are the basis of this mock because it will give us the foundation we need to be very good on offense.

How about Dan LeFevour as a QB pick in the mid-late rounds? He played as a freshman an Central Michigan and puts up pretty solid numbers every year both passing and rushing. Could be a solid pick in the later rounds so we can use our early picks on a safety, DT, OL and/or pass rusher

LeFevour does not look like a passing QB. He's put up stats but I'm not impressed by him at all.

ptysell

10-20-2009, 04:51 PM

So the 49ers fail to address the offensive or defensive lines?

WiltonDeportes

10-20-2009, 04:58 PM

So the 49ers fail to address the offensive or defensive lines?

I have them taking an offensive tackle and guard in the first 2 rounds as well as a nose tackle in the 4th. What more do you think they need?

beasley for pres

10-20-2009, 05:03 PM

If we spend a 3rd rounder on a fullback he better freakin start... Especially over M-rob.

WiltonDeportes

10-20-2009, 05:09 PM

If we spend a 3rd rounder on a fullback he better freakin start... Especially over M-rob.

He will start. I just thought coming out of training camp, he might not be ready yet. He has the talent to be the best fullback in the league though.

beasley for pres

10-20-2009, 05:09 PM

He will start. I just thought coming out of training camp, he might not be ready yet. He has the talent to be the best fullback in the league though.

k..

Bivouac

10-20-2009, 05:21 PM

He will start. I just thought coming out of training camp, he might not be ready yet. He has the talent to be the best fullback in the league though.

Agreed.

Guys like Moran Norris just aren't hungry to hit anybody anymore. Fullback is a position for a young guy with something to prove.

baylegend42

10-20-2009, 07:08 PM

Agreed.

Guys like Moran Norris just aren't hungry to hit anybody anymore. Fullback is a position for a young guy with something to prove.

Stanley Havili from USC is a solid blocker and great playmaker/pass catcher, but could afford to add a few lbs for the NFL. I like him just as much as Unga

sandubee707

10-21-2009, 03:21 AM

nice.

WiltonDeportes

10-21-2009, 07:24 AM

WiltonDeportes

10-21-2009, 08:13 AM

Agreed.

Guys like Moran Norris just aren't hungry to hit anybody anymore. Fullback is a position for a young guy with something to prove.

I wouldn't that really as much as I'd say having Unga at fullback would be a weapon in the running and passing game. Unlike most running back groups that share carries, we will be able to leave our 2 best backs on the field and we will have a LEGIT goalline runner. Having Unga and Gore as 2 good underneath options allow the WRs and TEs to work deeper routes too.

The OLD Cookie Monster

10-21-2009, 08:44 AM

Awful.

bigbadred00

10-21-2009, 12:18 PM

Snead sucks per some of the earlier posts....not sure if he'll be a 1st rounder anymore. I guess Oher made him look good.

Escobar

10-21-2009, 03:48 PM

Justin Cole as an UDFA is a straight pipe dream at this point

WiltonDeportes

10-21-2009, 05:16 PM

Justin Cole as an UDFA is a straight pipe dream at this point

He has 0 sacks this season and I'm not sold on him at all so that is kind of a place holder until I see more of him. I also haven't seen him deserve a mid round pick so maybe he will go late in the draft. Lastly, my 7 rounder and UFA are kind of unimportant at this point because thats so far down in the draft to predict who will still be there...maybe there will be a Ricky Jean-Francois type that is a DB or LB. In any case, I think we address OLB in free agency and this draft is based on finishing up a very good nucleus for the offense.

ninerfan1533

10-21-2009, 09:36 PM

With Our 2 1st Round Picks

1.either Russell Okung(t) Or Jake Locker(qb)
1.mike Lupati(g)

WiltonDeportes

10-22-2009, 01:31 AM

Awful.

Why?

Courtesy Flush

10-22-2009, 07:26 AM

I give you props for trying I guess.

haynbredren

10-22-2009, 06:08 PM

p/u Taylor Mays or Eric Berry if not avail.then go w/Russel Okung instead and w/the 2nd pick i say we p/u Colt Mccoy or DT Ndamukong Suh

WiltonDeportes

10-28-2009, 04:02 AM

Ok updated it. I took some chances that people would declare and even did a trade out of the first round, but why not? Look at the players before you knock it.

TheINch

10-28-2009, 04:05 AM

berry/okung/williams with our first

jerry hugggghhees with the 2nd fist

ftw gotdammit.

Bandwagon49

10-28-2009, 04:21 AM

It'd be nice to see a pass rushing OLB, CB or FS with one of those first day picks. MLB and RB are 2 of our strongest positions and don't require high draft picks being used on them.

WiltonDeportes

10-28-2009, 04:28 AM

It'd be nice to see a pass rushing OLB, CB or FS with one of those first day picks. MLB and RB are 2 of our strongest positions and don't require high draft picks being used on them.

Well I did have us getting Cole at OLB plus we have Diyral Briggs on the roster now.

At corner, any rookie would be the dime CB at best.

At MLB, Spikes is nearing the end of his career and I don't think McKillops is a very good replacement.

At RB, Gore is still a beast, but you can't have too many. Bradford would be our best goalline runner right away. Coffee I am still not sure about, but atleast he runs hard and is a solid athlete. If Gore went down, would you feel confident with Coffee carrying the load? I also think that if we are going to be a physical team, there will be carries to go around to atleast a couple RBs.

At FS, Goldson is in his first year as a starter and looks like he will be a fairly good starter there. At SS, I am not so sure. Lewis has concussion issues, but we drafted Reggie Smith and Curtis Taylor in the past 2 years. Let's first see what they can do.

SF1981bornfan

10-28-2009, 06:01 AM

*=Junior

In this edition, we trade one of our 1st rounders for a couple 2nd rounders.

this is where u lost me and I'm sure others too...:unsure: if we're gonna trade out of the 1st rd it better be like NE does and get another '11 1st pick...

Bandwagon49

10-28-2009, 06:24 AM

Well I did have us getting Cole at OLB plus we have Diyral Briggs on the roster now.

I'd prefer more of an impact OLB and this years draft has some really good prospects. Cole is a decent prospect. Briggs is still an unknown. Relying on these 2 to give our pass rush a lift scares me.

At corner, any rookie would be the dime CB at best.

The 49er's lack speed in their secondary and will be exploited more often than not. Nate Clements is still a good CB. Shawntae Spencer is above average, but injury prone. Terrell Brown is average and not much was invested in him (5th rounder). Dre Bly is on the down-side of his career and has lost a step in his game. Marcus Hudson is below average and provides depth at the most.

At MLB, Spikes is nearing the end of his career and I don't think McKillops is a very good replacement.

This area could be address through FA or a late round pick, the TED is a lot easier a position to fill and a high pick just seems wasteful.

At RB, Gore is still a beast, but you can't have too many. Bradford would be our best goalline runner right away. Coffee I am still not sure about, but atleast he runs hard and is a solid athlete. If Gore went down, would you feel confident with Coffee carrying the load? I also think that if we are going to be a physical team, there will be carries to go around to atleast a couple RBs.

I agree that depth at RB is needed for a run orientated team. RB is a position that's been easier to fill in recent years in the later rounds thought.

At FS, Goldson is in his first year as a starter and looks like he will be a fairly good starter there. At SS, I am not so sure. Lewis has concussion issues, but we drafted Reggie Smith and Curtis Taylor in the past 2 years. Let's first see what they can do.

Goldson is looking good, but he could also play either safety postion and that's good versatility. Lewis is a possible concern and eats up too much cap space. Reggie Smith hasn't seen the field a lot so it's hard to get a good feel for him. Curtis Taylor was our 7th rounder and provides depth.

OsBoogie

10-28-2009, 06:27 AM

don't like it at all... Capers is not one of my top OT's... we don't make up for it with a top 3 OG... the 1st and 2nd rounds are just a mess...

all I like is your 3rd rounder

Bandwagon49

10-28-2009, 06:29 AM

this is where u lost me and I'm sure others too...:unsure: if we're gonna trade out of the 1st rd it better be like NE does and get another '11 1st pick...

This doesn't really bother me. This years draft will be one of the deepest draft's ever. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders will still be highly rated prospects and could of potentially been 1st rounders in the 2011 draft, if not for the potential rookie salary cap.

WiltonDeportes

10-28-2009, 06:35 AM

I'd prefer more of an impact OLB and this years draft has some really good prospects. Cole is a decent prospect. Briggs is still an unknown. Relying on these 2 to give our pass rush a lift scares me.
Well sure but we have Haralson and Lawson too and we are only halfway through the year. I am not too high on most of the big name options at this position in the draft either.

The 49er's lack speed in their secondary and will be exploited more often than not. Nate Clements is still a good CB. Shawntae Spencer is above average, but injury prone. Terrell Brown is average and not much was invested in him (5th rounder). Dre Bly is on the down-side of his career and has lost a step in his game. Marcus Hudson is below average and provides depth at the most.
Spencer has played really well so far...maybe better than Clements. Brown is one of the better nickle corners in the league. Bly is gone after the year. We could easily pick up someone in free agency here as a backup and I really don't think it's an immediate need.

This area could be address through FA or a late round pick, the TED is a lot easier a position to fill and a high pick just seems wasteful.
We aren't running the defense that Nolan ran, so the roles of of the TED are different. Putting Spikes there last year and this year has been really helpful and having a guy there that can also rush the passer would just help that much more. The Steelers are a team that love to blitz those ILBs and I think we would definitely be able to do some of that stuff with Willis and Lloyd there.

I agree that depth at RB is needed for a run orientated team. RB is a position that's been easier to fill in recent years in the later rounds thought.
Ya I would agree with this too, but I just think that the value of Bradford is too tough to pass up because I really like his talent. He won't be 22 until mid season next year and drafts for good teams are not for your team that year, but 3 or so years down the line.

Goldson is looking good, but he could also play either safety postion and that's good versatility. Lewis is a possible concern and eats up too much cap space. Reggie Smith hasn't seen the field a lot so it's hard to get a good feel for him. Curtis Taylor was our 7th rounder and provides depth.
Goldson is a pure center fielder IMO. Smith could be a starter...haven't seen all that much of him but he had 2 INT's in preseason. I think he takes over for Roman once his groin is healthy.

don't like it at all... Capers is not one of my top OT's... we don't make up for it with a top 3 OG... the 1st and 2nd rounds are just a mess...

all I like is your 3rd rounder
Capers and Lauvao have the look of very good linemen...I am not sure what you have been watching but they are basically ideal players at their positions.

OsBoogie

10-28-2009, 06:41 AM

Capers and Lauvao have the look of very good linemen...I am not sure what you have been watching but they are basically ideal players at their positions.

you think Moreno as a top 20 pick was foolish... we'll agree to disagree

edit: I have Okung, Trent Williams, Charles Brown, Bulaga, Anthony Davis and Bruce Campbell all above Capers... and I watch a lot of Big East games

Lauavao doesn't even get a 3rd round grade in my book... give me Iupati, Mike Johnson, Asamoah, Mike Pouncey, Rodney Hudson or someone good for a 2nd round OG

49ersRoxerz

10-28-2009, 06:41 AM

3. Dan Williams NT Tennessee 6'3" 330
Big Dan Williams is a force against inside runs. Has some decent athleticism for that size. Shows some bullrush ability too.

i think he goes in the second round but great pick

Bandwagon49

10-28-2009, 06:44 AM

Goldson is a pure center fielder IMO. Smith could be a starter...haven't seen all that much of him but he had 2 INT's in preseason. I think he takes over for Roman once his groin is healthy.

I'd love Eric Berry if he were available with 1 of our 1st's. Morgan Burnett in the 2nd round is also another possibility.

DavidSt.Hubbins

10-28-2009, 06:48 AM

I'd love Eric Berry if he were available with 1 of our 1st's. Morgan Burnett in the 2nd round is also another possibility.

Burnett is a great ballhawking safety and the second best Safety in the Draft, I HIGHLY doubt he falls to the second round...Although, if he does, we'd be foolish not to grab him.

WiltonDeportes

10-28-2009, 07:09 AM

you think Moreno as a top 20 pick was foolish... we'll agree to disagree

edit: I have Okung, Trent Williams, Charles Brown, Bulaga, Anthony Davis and Bruce Campbell all above Capers... and I watch a lot of Big East games

Lauavao doesn't even get a 3rd round grade in my book... give me Iupati, Mike Johnson, Asamoah, Mike Pouncey, Rodney Hudson or someone good for a 2nd round OG

Moreno is physically somewhat limited because he doesn't have much power or speed. His moves are good, but he's just not going to have an impact like a #12 pick should. He can do everything well.

Lauvao is the only guy on that list that is playing OT right now. In fact, he's playing left tackle. What does that mean? 1. He's versatile. 2. He's their best lineman. 3. He is more athletic and can pass protect better than anyone you listed.

I also like Capers because he is playing RT right now and can just slide into our lineup. I also like Charles Brown a lot. Not as big of a fan of Okung or Williams. Bulaga is a good run blocker, but I have heard bad things about his pass blocking this year (haven't really watched TOO much of him yet). Davis didn't impress me when I saw him, but I am going to keep an eye on him. I also haven't seen Campbell yet. I have, however, seen a lot of Capers. He is really fantastic as a pass blocker. As a run blocker, he has good strength and really good athleticism to move around guys he is blocking and to get to the second level. I really think we would have so much freedom in pass protection with Staley and Capers as bookends.

WiltonDeportes

10-28-2009, 07:13 AM

Burnett is a great ballhawking safety and the second best Safety in the Draft, I HIGHLY doubt he falls to the second round...Although, if he does, we'd be foolish not to grab him.

Burnett IS a good safety. I don't think it's a pressing need for us until we see what Reggie Smith and Curtis Taylor can do (mainly Smith). There will be a good safety class in 2011 too. Hey, maybe Michael Lewis is able to recover from his string of concussions?

Bandwagon49

10-28-2009, 07:18 AM

Burnett IS a good safety. I don't think it's a pressing need for us until we see what Reggie Smith and Curtis Taylor can do (mainly Smith). There will be a good safety class in 2011 too. Hey, maybe Michael Lewis is able to recover from his string of concussions?

I don't think a string of concussions is something a player EVER recovers from. For his own health he should possibly consider retirement.

WiltonDeportes

10-28-2009, 07:32 AM

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I don't think a string of concussions is something a player EVER recovers from. For his own health he should possibly consider retirement.

you are probably right about that...im not a doctor

SourdoughTony

10-28-2009, 08:28 AM

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I don't think a string of concussions is something a player EVER recovers from. For his own health he should possibly consider retirement.

What a sissy - PLAY THROUGH THE PAIN!

WiltonDeportes

10-28-2009, 10:15 AM

I decided to put Myron Lewis, corner from Vandy, on the list because of his talent. That made room for a late round safety. I also believe that we will be able to get a FA safety if Lewis retires so I'm not worried. Heck maybe Reggie Smith shows us something and we don't need anyone anyways.

WiltonDeportes

10-31-2009, 07:21 PM

Just found out Capers is going to be 25 during the season next year. Also, did some rethinking of the first two picks. Bulaga, Campbell, and Barksdale were also considered in the first.

WiltonDeportes

11-11-2009, 02:03 AM

updated

Bandwagon49

11-11-2009, 05:16 AM

I read Myron Lewis will make a better FS prospect in the NFL.

WiltonDeportes

11-11-2009, 05:23 AM

I read Myron Lewis will make a better FS prospect in the NFL.

They said the same thing about Sean Smith. The 6'3" rookie starting corner for the Dolphins. Lewis is definitely more athletic than him too.

WiltonDeportes

11-18-2009, 01:01 PM

updated after watching tape again of Alex Smith in college and in 2007 and Jake Locker from all his years.

Bandwagon49

11-19-2009, 12:15 AM

updated after watching tape again of Alex Smith in college and in 2007 and Jake Locker from all his years.

Locker is gonna end up being the first QB taken and a lot of teams in the top 5-10 need a franchise QB (Cleveland and Buffalo come to mind). I think it's more wishful thinking at this point. Our pass defense is pathetic and could still use speed and skill (Joe Haden come's to mind in our spot)

vietbeat

11-19-2009, 02:39 AM

why would we draft a qb with the first pick when we got ALEX SMITH? we need OLINE and PASS RUSHERS! and a better SAFETY!

WiltonDeportes

11-19-2009, 10:18 AM

Locker is gonna end up being the first QB taken and a lot of teams in the top 5-10 need a franchise QB (Cleveland and Buffalo come to mind). I think it's more wishful thinking at this point. Our pass defense is pathetic and could still use speed and skill (Joe Haden come's to mind in our spot)
Yea but we don't know where our picks will be and we always have the opportunity to trade up. It's really way too early to be talking draft stock anyway.
why would we draft a qb with the first pick when we got ALEX SMITH? we need OLINE and PASS RUSHERS! and a better SAFETY!
I don't think Alex is more than an average to above average QB. I have us getting 2 OL early. Pass rusher I had them address in FA with Shawne Merriman. And safety? I've got Goldson and Clements there with Reggie Smith and Michael Lewis behind them. I don't think we need a safety.

Sherm

11-19-2009, 10:41 AM

Yea but we don't know where our picks will be and we always have the opportunity to trade up. It's really way too early to be talking draft stock anyway.

Yet it not too early for mock drafts?

WiltonDeportes

11-19-2009, 10:54 AM

Yet it not too early for mock drafts?

What I mean is the draft stock difference between a top 5 pick and a top 15 pick can change so quickly that there's no point in arguing over that now. It makes more sense just to talk about which talents would be our best options at our picks (within reason).

Bandwagon49

11-21-2009, 04:04 AM

Dan Williams stock is rising quickly. I'm thinking he's a possible 2nd rounder now.

WhistlingMtn

11-21-2009, 08:17 AM

Dan Williams stock is rising quickly. I'm thinking he's a possible 2nd rounder now.

almost assuredly.

Pervatasuarus

11-21-2009, 08:44 AM

The Niners have a better chance with Nate Davis than any quarterback coming out of this draft. Jevan Snead has been having a bad season. Being a Junior he will most likely return to play another season to impress NFL scouts. Sam Bradford is now a second day pick with his shoulder. Colt McCoy is inconsistent and has thrown a good amount of picks. Jimmy Clausen is a question mark because he has some big weapons around him. He looks like the most appealing pick so far. Tim Tebow is probably the best college quarterback ever to play, however he does not seem to have what is needed to be an NFL quarterback. His durability is also an concern. Max Hall of BYU is having a good season and I believe after the combine his stock will rise. Zac Robinson of Oklahoma State has been consistent through three seasons and will be an intrigueing pick. Another guy that will be a combine player.

There are other quarterbacks that will be draft eligible and some that will not. It is too soon for a mock draft. I know for sure 49ers are not taking a quarterback in the first round when Oakland, St. Louis, Seattle, Jacksonville and Cleveland are in need of a quarterback and will all most likely finish with better draft picks. 2-3 quarterbacks coming out this year seem to be 1st round picks. In a talented quarterback class these 2-3 would be mid to late 1st rounders. This draft reminds me of the 2005 draft. The 2011 draft will be more promising for quarterbacks.

WiltonDeportes

11-21-2009, 09:30 AM

Pervatasuarus

11-21-2009, 09:57 AM

I was just addressing the QB class and the fact the Niners are not in a position to draft a quarterback because of worse teams with that need. I believe the Niners needs are Tackle, Guard, Safety, Cornerback, Kick/Punt Returner, Quarterback and pass rusher.

The talent coming out and the needs of other teams dictate what the Niners will pick. It is too early to mock for any team except ST. Louis. LOL. If I had to guess what QB the Niners would take it would be Max Hall of BYU between 2nd-5th round depending on his combine or Brad Samford between 2-3 rounds. It is too early. So far I have been studying QB's. I'll be done with every position by the combine and put up my own positional power rankings and Mock draft. Then put a second update after the combine. Then a post free-agency mock draft. All of that on my website. Which will be open by the Super Bowl. If anyone is interested.

The Cookie Monster

11-21-2009, 10:00 AM

WiltonDeportes

11-21-2009, 01:40 PM

WiltonDeportes

11-23-2009, 01:56 AM

i changed my mind on the line situation a little today. chris patrick looked pretty good at the end of the game and i think either him or boone will be fine at rt. i bumped dan williams up to the 2nd round to account for his rise in status and added christian anthony as a late round olb prospect.

OsBoogie

11-23-2009, 11:00 AM

WiltonDeportes

11-24-2009, 05:24 PM

ugh....

I know it sounds weird, but give it a couple weeks. In extremely limited time at the end of the game, Chris Patrick at RT actually looked pretty good and Staley will be back in a little bit. The thing about linemen is that they only need to accomplish their task and work together. They don't need to be 350 pounds and run a 4.9 40 to be a good blocker. The defender doesn't know where the play is going. The job of the linemen is to basically use leverage and angles to wall off defenders. Ideally, I wouldn't want to waste my highest pick on a task that is so cut and dry and judged only on completion, not how it was done.

WhistlingMtn

11-24-2009, 05:52 PM

I think it fails at this point

RT-Chris Patrick/Alex Boone/Kirk Barton

Even Pashos and Snyder would be better than that.

OsBoogie

11-25-2009, 10:25 AM

I know it sounds weird, but give it a couple weeks. In extremely limited time at the end of the game, Chris Patrick at RT actually looked pretty good and Staley will be back in a little bit. The thing about linemen is that they only need to accomplish their task and work together. They don't need to be 350 pounds and run a 4.9 40 to be a good blocker. The defender doesn't know where the play is going. The job of the linemen is to basically use leverage and angles to wall off defenders. Ideally, I wouldn't want to waste my highest pick on a task that is so cut and dry and judged only on completion, not how it was done.

so simple... yet we can't field a good line... lol

fail

WiltonDeportes

12-02-2009, 09:27 AM

Bandwagon49

12-02-2009, 09:46 AM

I have watched a lot more of Alex Smith this year and am beginning to think he could be the guy we need there. With that, I put more attention on the OL in this update and shot for the stars with Brown. I don't know where our pick acquired from the Panthers will be or where Brown will go, but it's a start. I also added another nice OG sleeper in Cord Howard to the list. Thoughts?

Still not liking the Rolle pick in the 1st (2nd rounder at best). I'd still be looking for BPA with the 1st of our 1st rounders, maybe more for need with our 2nd 1st rounder.

WiltonDeportes

12-02-2009, 10:21 AM

Still not liking the Rolle pick in the 1st (2nd rounder at best). I'd still be looking for BPA with the 1st of our 1st rounders, maybe more for need with our 2nd 1st rounder.

I think you are thinking I said Myron Rolle, not Myron Lewis. Two totally different players. In any case, corner is a top priority. BPA is the most vague thing you could say about a pick.

Bandwagon49

12-02-2009, 11:12 AM

I think you are thinking I said Myron Rolle, not Myron Lewis. Two totally different players. In any case, corner is a top priority. BPA is the most vague thing you could say about a pick.

My bad, I meant Myron Lewis. BPA may be vague but it's still the way I think we should go. If it's a corner in the 1st then I like Joe Haden and he could end up being BPA anyways.

KingRat

12-02-2009, 12:57 PM

There is no way Myron Lewis is a 1st rounder...that would be an epic reach :foottap:

OsBoogie

12-03-2009, 08:15 AM

Brown isn't a top 10 pick in my book... and Lewis is a mid 2nd at best right now... no me gusta!

WiltonDeportes

12-05-2009, 12:19 PM

Brown isn't a top 10 pick in my book... and Lewis is a mid 2nd at best right now... no me gusta!

why do you think that?

OsBoogie

12-05-2009, 12:45 PM

why do you think that?

Lewis isn't fast enough to be a CB in the league... I read that he might even be asked to make a swith to S...

Brown is my number 5 OT at best right now... and there are definitely 10+ players I'd take over him...

maybe with our 2nd pick I'd take Brown... but that's if it's 14 or later... if not, I'd rather wait for the 2nd round

WiltonDeportes

12-06-2009, 11:01 AM

Lewis isn't fast enough to be a CB in the league... I read that he might even be asked to make a swith to S...

Brown is my number 5 OT at best right now... and there are definitely 10+ players I'd take over him...

maybe with our 2nd pick I'd take Brown... but that's if it's 14 or later... if not, I'd rather wait for the 2nd round

That tells me that you haven't seen Lewis play because his quickness, footspeed, and closing speed are all very good. I haven't seen his full stride speed yet really mainly because my TV won't allow that.

Brown we could debate about for a long time. There's a good number of big name tackles in the draft that a lot of people support. Brown, however, is second to none when it comes to agility in pass protection or length in arms as far as I can see. Sure, he's listed 285, but how heavy are the DE's? The greatest LT of the past 10 years was Walter Jones and he was barely cracking 300 pounds. I just don't believe in fat linemen. He will put on some good weight when he gets to the NFL and has the potential of a Joe Thomas/Ryan Clady in my opinion.

OsBoogie

12-06-2009, 03:05 PM

That tells me that you haven't seen Lewis play because his quickness, footspeed, and closing speed are all very good. I haven't seen his full stride speed yet really mainly because my TV won't allow that.
.

not for nothing, you're opinions haven't been what I would consider good... so I rather take what I read from scouts... until I do see for myself...

I will hold to the opinion that this would be a very extremely disappointing 1st round

WiltonDeportes

12-14-2009, 12:21 AM

updated again. here is how i envision a future lineup if this draft went like i picked it.

QB-Alex Smith
RB-Frank Gore/Glenn Coffee
FB-Rashawn Jackson
TE-Vernon Davis/Andrew Quarless
WR-Michael Crabtree
WR-Josh Morgan
Slot/TE-Delanie Walker
LT-Joe Staley
LG-Cord Howard
C-Reggie Stephens
RG-Chilo Rachal
RT-Bruce Campbell

DT-Kentwan Balmer
NG-Dan Williams
DT-Ricky Jean Francois
OLB-Christian Anthony
MLB-Takeo Spikes
MLB-Patrick Willis
OLB-Ahmad Brooks/Manny Lawson
CB-Nate Clements
CB-Myron Lewis
Nickel/Dime CBs-Shawntae Spencer/Tarell Brown
SS-Major Wright
FS-Dashon Goldson

Kellzeatyou

12-14-2009, 09:25 AM

updated again. here is how i envision a future lineup if this draft went like i picked it.

QB-Jake Locker
RB-Frank Gore/Glenn Coffee
FB-Rashawn Jackson
TE-Vernon Davis/Andrew Quarless
WR-Michael Crabtree
WR-Josh Morgan
Slot/TE-Delanie Walker
LT-Joe Staley
LG-Cord Howard
C-Reggie Stephens
RG-Chilo Rachal
RT-Bruce Campbell

DT-Kentwan Balmer
NG-Aubrayo Franklin/Isaac Sopoaga
DT-Ricky Jean Francois
OLB-Christian Anthony
MLB-Takeo Spikes
MLB-Patrick Willis
OLB-Shawne Merriman
CB-Nate Clements
CB-Myron Lewis
Nickel/Dime CBs-Shawntae Spencer/Tarell Brown
SS-Major Wright
FS-Dashon Goldson

You really think we are about to draft another QB ? Alex Smith is working out and we are going to draft another one? :facepalm:

You are either trolling or your really that dense

49er_Rick

12-14-2009, 12:02 PM

You made good points for you choices I'm just not with you. Here's why.

I'm sticking with Alex Smith and I'm not interested in spending a top 15 pick on a QB. Too many of them end up a bust. Smith has shown improvement and mental toughness and I believe he will be a great QB over the next few years. I want to give him a real chance.

2nd pick. I don't want to spend a top 15 on an O lineman... a pass rushing D line or OLB who will bring the heat and get sacks.... Absolutely. In fact I was kind of disappointed that you didn't have us drafting a D line or linebacker until the 6th round.

We need O line who've already been in the trenches and shown that they can hold their own against the formidable pass rushers in the league.... not some kid who going to have to learn all the tricks.

First pick I'm with lots of the guys on the board with wanting Berry. I hope he falls to us but if not then Haden would also be a great help. Honestly I'd rather find a FA corner who has been tested against NFL receivers too.

A pass rusher would be next on my list of defensive needs but that player could be selected in the second round and we could still get a great player.

We have 2 top 15 picks. One should go defense and the other should go offense. My offensive pick is also very popular with the board. I want C.J. Spiller. The guy fills so many needs. Change of pace back / WR / PR,KR.... and we desperately need help on our special teams.

We don't need another TE. We have 2 great ones. Just like we really don't need another WR unless it's somebody like Spiller who has a bigger role than just WR. Same goes for FB.

I'd rather look at more D Linemen or O linemen with the 4th - 7th and concentrate on our real needs in the 1st - 3rd round. That's 4 players out of the draft that could make an immediate impact and 5 players who could possibly contribute or fill in for a starter should they suffer an injury.

I am with you on using one or possibly two late round picks on a Guard or Center... or possibly a Tackle... but they would be backups and developing players. Not immediate starters.

Merriman would be great. So would McNeil. The Niners should get anyone we can afford who can come in and play at a high level. IMHO.

KingRat

12-14-2009, 12:43 PM

screw the FA pickups....like we've done so well with Anthony Clements, Jonas Jennings, Barry Sims, Larry Allen etc! I think the last good OL FA signing was Kevin Gogan...:slapfight:

It's time to start developing our own all-pros, unfortunatly we might not have people in the FO capable of evaluating OL talent...:backout:

Wallace is Heitmanns backup/replacement; if he wasn't good enough he'd already be gone...no sense wasting a late pick on another scrub IL...

need a blocking TE? check out Steve Maneri from Temple...need an H-Back? check out Terrell Hudgins from Elon (broke Rice's receiving record)...

you really want later round (3+) OT's to develop? then look at Jared Veldheer from Hilldale, Chris Scott from Tenn, Thomas Welch from Vandy or a real sleeper and probable UFA Ramon Harewood from Morehouse...

I'm keeping Spiller & Iupati at the top of my list for now, but since we need playmakers then Berry & Haden would fit also....
/rant

9erzallday

12-14-2009, 02:18 PM

49er_Rick

12-14-2009, 02:19 PM

I'm not a stat guru or a free agent hound but I did some brief research.

Charlie Johnson (25) starting left tackle for the Colts is a UFA
Chris Kuper (26) starting RG for the Broncos is a UFA
Rashad Butler (26) back up LT/RT for the Texans is a UFA
Kevin Boothe (26 ) back up LG for the Giants is an UFA
Ryan Cook (26) back up RT for the Vikings is an UFA

Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (27)
Logan Mankins has been a very consistent player for the Patriots since he was drafted. That type of consistency is difficult to match, but with free agency inflating the value of offensive guards, the Patriots may end up letting him walk if the price isn’t right. They drafted a couple interior linemen last year and have to use some of their free money to re-sign other players. From what Mankins has said, he wants to stay on this winning franchise, but he could be one of the top players available next offseason.

Marcus McNeill, San Diego Chargers (25)
McNeill isn’t playing at an elite level this year, but is still an above average left tackle. He’s one of the “bigger” names at the left tackle position thanks to his spectacular, hyped rookie season. McNeill has also been undercompensated the last few years playing on his rookie contract as a 2nd round pick, which may incline him to ask for more money than he “deserves.” Any of the Chargers could feasibly be had this offseason and McNeill is no different, but with some of the offensive line woes of the Chargers, McNeill may be one of their top priorities. His long-term neck and back problems could be in the back of the team’s mind as well.

Daryn Colledge, Green Bay Packers (27)
Colledge is no longer viewed as the solution at left tackle in Green Bay. Mid-round TJ Lang has taken over the back-up position there. That alone is enough to make his value take a significant plunge. This will especially be overstated because of his poor performance in the team’s biggest game to date – Monday Night in Minnesota. Still, he’s an above average starting offensive guard and a great pass protector in the interior. Colledge’s value will most likely be highest to the Packers because he’s a great fit for what they do and they know his true value.

So this is just the tip of the iceberg. I know a lot of guys are going to get resigned with their team but some guys who are backups would love to get a better paycheck with the real possibility of starting.

I'm no O linemen expert but I'm sure that there are more than a few guys out there who would like to start and love living in the Bay Area. IMHO.

It's just a matter of investigating and making a reasonable offer for the players we need.

KingRat

12-14-2009, 03:09 PM

Who's Anthony Clements? Also Larry Allen was a GREAT pickup via FA. He went to the pro bowl the 1st year he was with us. Not to mention Jennings played in 14 games in 06 which helped propel Gore's record-breaking year! FA is a good way to fill in vacancies of NEED, where as the draft is great to select the best available player! At least that's the philosophy that makes most sense to me.

Clement, sorry> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClemAn20.htm

:beerfunnel:

49er_Rick

12-14-2009, 03:39 PM

Clement, sorry> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClemAn20.htm

:beerfunnel:

So King... are you still completely opposed to getting a FA or two with experience at the NFL level?

I understand the desire to develop quality linemen but I'm just of the opinion that we really need guys that are known quantities.... not rookies.

IMHO

9erzallday

12-14-2009, 03:56 PM

Clement, sorry> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClemAn20.htm

:beerfunnel:

No. You were right on the "Clements", but his name is not Anthony! lol it doesn't matter though, I was just giving you a hard time.

KingRat

12-14-2009, 04:23 PM

So King... are you still completely opposed to getting a FA or two with experience at the NFL level?

I understand the desire to develop quality linemen but I'm just of the opinion that we really need guys that are known quantities.... not rookies.

IMHO

Show me these FA's are better than what we already have and I might reconsider :shades:

KingRat

12-14-2009, 04:24 PM

No. You were right on the "Clements", but his name is not Anthony! lol it doesn't matter though, I was just giving you a hard time.

:beerfunnel:

Getting ready for tonight :grin:

49er_Rick

12-14-2009, 05:52 PM

Show me these FA's are better than what we already have and I might reconsider :shades:

There in lies the rub. I'm no scout and I have no access to game film. I can't bring anybody in for a workout. I'm not a coach.

What I'm trying to point out is.... lots of these college kids look great in college but for some reason they don't make it in the pros.

Remember Tony Mandarich? The Pack wasted a #2 pick on this guy and he was a bust.

So while I do agree that grooming our own talent from the point of being a rookie is great... sometimes the guys just can't bring the kinda of game we want. This is why I'm in favor of taking a guy who has been through a few training camps... played at the NFL level, against NFL defensive linemen and complex defensive schemes that push the limits of teamwork on the O Line. You see where I'm going here.

If the guys we have can't stay healthy that's a problem. If they can't learn and grow... that's a problem. Maybe the solution is to snag somebody else's potential and start them here. But.... like you said.... Only if they can play at the level we need. No sense spending money on a guy that can't provide immediate help.

KingRat

12-15-2009, 12:05 AM

There in lies the rub. I'm no scout and I have no access to game film. I can't bring anybody in for a workout. I'm not a coach.

What I'm trying to point out is.... lots of these college kids look great in college but for some reason they don't make it in the pros.

Remember Tony Mandarich? The Pack wasted a #2 pick on this guy and he was a bust.

So while I do agree that grooming our own talent from the point of being a rookie is great... sometimes the guys just can't bring the kinda of game we want. This is why I'm in favor of taking a guy who has been through a few training camps... played at the NFL level, against NFL defensive linemen and complex defensive schemes that push the limits of teamwork on the O Line. You see where I'm going here.

If the guys we have can't stay healthy that's a problem. If they can't learn and grow... that's a problem. Maybe the solution is to snag somebody else's potential and start them here. But.... like you said.... Only if they can play at the level we need. No sense spending money on a guy that can't provide immediate help.

I understand where you're coming from; just want to note Mandarich, much like Gallery, finished up pretty well once switched to guard (and got off the ROIDS)...

I really do like what I've seen of Iupati in the 6 Idaho games I've watched so far....the H-Bowl on Dec.30th will be the 7th.....

I've had Spiller & Iupati as my top two picks for a couple months now, and haven't seen anything, either from the Niners or college players that would have me change...:draw:

49er_Rick

12-15-2009, 11:43 AM

I understand where you're coming from; just want to note Mandarich, much like Gallery, finished up pretty well once switched to guard (and got off the ROIDS)...

I really do like what I've seen of Iupati in the 6 Idaho games I've watched so far....the H-Bowl on Dec.30th will be the 7th.....

I've had Spiller & Iupati as my top two picks for a couple months now, and haven't seen anything, either from the Niners or college players that would have me change...:draw:

Well... I'll tell ya rat... if we did pick up a stud O lineman with one of our first two picks I wouldn't complain. He'd have a lot of people expecting an immediate impact. There would be little room for error. I guess a guard would be safer than a tackle but I just prefer the experience. Like I said before.

Bandwagon49

12-15-2009, 03:07 PM

Well... I'll tell ya rat... if we did pick up a stud O lineman with one of our first two picks I wouldn't complain. He'd have a lot of people expecting an immediate impact. There would be little room for error. I guess a guard would be safer than a tackle but I just prefer the experience. Like I said before.

It wouldn't hurt if that OL came from a winning team and has a positive attitude. It's something I think most people underestimate, a winning attitude doesn't really show in the statistics column, but it helps in the overall philosophy we're trying to build.

49er_Rick

12-16-2009, 06:24 AM

It wouldn't hurt if that OL came from a winning team and has a positive attitude. It's something I think most people underestimate, a winning attitude doesn't really show in the statistics column, but it helps in the overall philosophy we're trying to build.

I agree but I would be fine if they grabbed a talented guy floundering on a poor team if he was a standout.... dig? Cause then he could come in here and elevate the play. IMO.

WhistlingMtn

12-16-2009, 09:41 AM

It wouldn't hurt if that OL came from a winning team and has a positive attitude. It's something I think most people underestimate, a winning attitude doesn't really show in the statistics column, but it helps in the overall philosophy we're trying to build.

Positive attitudes are overrated. People on winning teams tend to be positive because they are winning, not winning because they are positive.

If we're going personality traits, the best two you can hope for are calm under pressure, and a chip on their shoulder.

OsBoogie

12-16-2009, 11:50 AM

no CBA means little to no FA options...

WiltonDeportes

12-16-2009, 07:13 PM

no CBA means little to no FA options...

possibly, but there should be atleast a good returnman that we can get.

WiltonDeportes

12-16-2009, 09:57 PM

updated now that it seems that Jake Locker will not be in the draft

WiltonDeportes

12-20-2009, 02:48 AM

updated to reflect my latest feelings on the Pistol formation's potential and adjusting to not planning for Jake Locker

belgium49er

12-20-2009, 09:20 AM

not a bad mock IMO :)

WiltonDeportes

12-25-2009, 04:38 PM

updated

Bandwagon49

12-27-2009, 07:06 PM

Nice draft:). Only pick I'm not really big on is Aaron Hernandez. I'd prefer a rush linebacker with that pick(since there's a lot of depth this year).

WiltonDeportes

12-29-2009, 11:34 PM

not a bad mock IMO :)

Nice draft:). Only pick I'm not really big on is Aaron Hernandez. I'd prefer a rush linebacker with that pick(since there's a lot of depth this year).

thanks guys i try

WiltonDeportes

01-12-2010, 11:44 PM

Updated to reflect what I saw in bowl games and latest thoughts on schemes. Ignore me selecting 5 Florida players because it was total coincidence...on the other hand, amazing talent they have brewing down there.

Gof the Gij

01-13-2010, 01:48 AM

Woooow.

Escobar

01-13-2010, 03:14 AM

let me guess, you want us to pull a Seattle Seahawks and offer Urban Meyer a mega-deal

Leeding49er

01-13-2010, 04:47 AM

Really not feeling this draft, especially Dunlop. Davis would be nice, but he's gone gone gone before 16/17.

OsBoogie

01-13-2010, 06:09 AM

oh that's bad... only pick I care for is Davis...

florida couldn't win the championship in college... drafting the whole team won't make us win in the NFL

Midwest Niner

01-13-2010, 01:02 PM

oh that's bad... only pick I care for is Davis...

florida couldn't win the championship in college... drafting the whole team won't make us win in the NFL

:laugh: Thats what I was thinking.

Oh, and Riley Cooper sucks. He put up some decent stats, but only because his roomy Tebow threw his way all the time.

WiltonDeportes

01-13-2010, 02:25 PM

let me guess, you want us to pull a Seattle Seahawks and offer Urban Meyer a mega-deal

No...I prefer an under-center offense to the shotgun, but I like the pistol more than either.

The Cookie Monster

01-13-2010, 03:20 PM

I'd rather not draft at all and save the money if we do this.

mrTgo49ers

01-13-2010, 04:57 PM

Key scheme changes: 4-3 Base Defense and Pistol Offense

1. Carlos Dunlap DE Florida 6'6" 290 (junior)
Stud DE that can anchor our D-line for years to come. He will stop the run on the edge as well as rush the passer with his developing set of moves. He is starting to come into his own I think.
Birthday: February 28, 1989

1. Anthony Davis OT Rutgers 6'6" 325 (junior)
A big cat at RT. He has the strength, frame, and athleticism to dominate in all areas of blocking. He has quick feet in pass protection as well as size to one day be a dominating run blocker. He could improve his strength/speed some with an NFL training program.
Birthday: October 11, 1989

2. Major Wright SS Florida 6'0" 205 (junior)
Wright is a nice combination of intimidation, ball skills, and athleticism. He can play in the box some or cover like we desperately need out of our secondary.
Birthday: July 1, 1988

3. Riley Cooper WR Florida 6'3" 215
Big target reciever that is a good deep threat and makes a lot of tough catches over the middle and jump ball type plays. He is a very good athlete that would be a great match to Crabtree and allow Morgan to work out of the slot like I think he should.
Birthday: September 9, 1987

4. Aaron Hernandez TE/H-Back Florida 6'2" 255 (junior)
Fast TE that runs good routes, has good hands, and can block well. He can be used out of the backfield, at TE, or in the slot. He might drop a little due to his size and what that would mean in the current offenses in the NFL, but put him in my offense and he would be a star.
Birthday: November 6, 1989

5. Cord Howard OG Georgia Tech 6'5" 310
Very athletic well proportioned guard. Showed a lot of nastiness and ability to block in space. Good in limited footage of pass protection. Good zone blocker. Will have to get back to being in a normal 3 Point Stance after playing in GT's flexbone.
Birthday: July 7, 1987

5c. Reggie Stephens OG/C Iowa State 6'3" 325
Has experience at both guard positions and played center this year. I think he would be a good backup guard for now, but a very good long term center. Has solid agility inside and good strength. Must lose some fat, but has a lot of potential.
Birthday: August 28, 1987

6. Armanti Edwards QB Appalachian State 6' 190
Speedy QB who was extremely productive in college (only QB ever to throw for 9,000 and run for 4,000). His throwing is better than some realize. I don't necessarily think he is starting material, but he would make for a great sub that you can do some different things with. I would put him in a pistol look with 2 RBs split behind him and run option and spread option type plays. Or perhaps, I could put him in the pistol with a single RB behind him, and then put another RB in Jet Sweep motion towards him which would give him another angle for the triple option. I caution you not to take this statement overboard, but when I see him run, his style reminds me some of Chris Johnson. Also, should Alex Smith go down, this guy is exactly the type of giant killer that could step in and win some games.
Birthday: March 8, 1988

7. Brandon James PR/KR/Utility Florida 5'7" 185
James has incredible escapability and deserves a spot on this team. We need a returner BADLY. I would also try to get him a few touches on plays from scrimmage because of his playmaking ability. Michael Smith of Arkansas is another option for a very similar role.
Birthday: December 21, 1987

FA. Matt Asiata RB Utah 5'11" 230
Asiata is a good short yardage runner that we can pound the ball with. Quick feet and a load to take down.
Birthday: July 24, 1987

2010 Depth Chart

Sign FA DE. Aaron Kampman, Ray Edwards, Kyle Vanden Bosch, or possibly Peppers if available.

QB: Alex Smith/Nate Davis/Armanti Edwards
RB: Frank Gore/Glenn Coffee/Matt Asiata/Jehuu Caulcrick/Brandon James
H-Back: Delanie Walker/Aaron Hernandez
TE: Vernon Davis/Aaron Hernandez/JJ Finley
WR: Michael Crabtree/Riley Cooper/Josh Morgan/Jason Hill/Brandon James
LT: Joe Staley/Barry Sims
LG: David Baas/Cord Howard
C: Eric Heitmann/Reggie Stephens/Cody Wallace
RG: Chilo Rachal/Reggie Stephens
RT: Anthony Davis/Adam Snyder/Chris Patrick

DE: FA DE/Manny Lawson/Derek Walker
DT: Aubrayo Franklin/Isaac Sopoaga/Kentwan Balmer/Khalif Mitchell
DT: Justin Smith/Ray McDonald/Ricky Jean Francois
DE: Carlos Dunlap/Parys Haralson/Martail Bennett
LOLB: Takeo Spikes/Matt Wilhelm
MLB: Patrick Willis/Scott McKillop
ROLB: Ahmad Brooks/Diyral Briggs
CB: Shawntae Spencer/Tarell Brown/Nate Clements/Dre Bly/Marcus Hudson
SS: Major Wright/Michael Lewis/Reggie Smith
FS: Dashon Goldson/Curtis Taylor

KR: Brandon James/Josh Morgan
PR: Brandon James
K: Joe Nedney/Ricky Schmidt
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brandon Jennings/Scott McKillop?

Nice mock. good go at it anyway. Seems like we are adding most of the Florida football team eh? I think Dunlap will probably fall to the end of the 1st round maybe even the 2nd because of a recent DUI. Wright in the seoncd round would be a great pick for us! Take a look at Matt Nichols as a small school QB late in the draft too. I'd like to see us get a KR/PR a bit earlier maybe as a guy that can be that #3 or #4 WR. Gilyard if he falls to round 3 or if we have to trade up to get him in round 2 would be great especially because he fits in our current scheme well.

49er_Rick

01-13-2010, 05:07 PM

DE: FA DE/Manny Lawson/Derek Walker
DT: Aubrayo Franklin/Isaac Sopoaga/Kentwan Balmer/Khalif Mitchell
DT: Justin Smith/Ray McDonald/Ricky Jean Francois
DE: Carlos Dunlap/Parys Haralson/Martail Bennett
LOLB: Takeo Spikes/Matt Wilhelm
MLB: Patrick Willis/Scott McKillop
ROLB: Ahmad Brooks/Diyral Briggs

So your suggesting that we go to a 4 - 3 defense? Or will we continue to rotate Franklin and the others?

I mean we could use another pass rusher. I don't know if that should be our first pick. Plus I'm in agreement with some of the posters.... I don't know that Davis is still there at 17.

WiltonDeportes

01-13-2010, 09:29 PM

So your suggesting that we go to a 4 - 3 defense? Or will we continue to rotate Franklin and the others?

I mean we could use another pass rusher. I don't know if that should be our first pick. Plus I'm in agreement with some of the posters.... I don't know that Davis is still there at 17.

I am suggesting a move to the 4-3. It will help us in the passing game for sure. We get to put more speed on the field at all levels: strong safety, outside linebackers, and all along the D-line. I think Willis would benefit from having a couple ends that can really set the edge and still play next to a guy like Takeo Spikes to help in run support. I think we need better coverage out of our SS and linebackers too, so this move would allow us to get guys that can help in that way. There's FAR more 4-3 talent in the draft and it is cheaper to build leaving more resources for the offense. The 4-3 will also hold up better when the offense tries to spread you out. The offense can try to force you to show your cards blitz wise and if you take away the mystery of what OLB/DE's are doing, you take away some of their effectiveness while you don't have to worry as much about the 4-3 DE's.

You could easily switch Dunlap and Davis in my mock. I would suggest keeping Franklin at a decent rate and if he wants huge money, let him go. We have so many of those type of players on the roster, we don't need any more.

Nice mock. good go at it anyway. Seems like we are adding most of the Florida football team eh? I think Dunlap will probably fall to the end of the 1st round maybe even the 2nd because of a recent DUI. Wright in the seoncd round would be a great pick for us! Take a look at Matt Nichols as a small school QB late in the draft too. I'd like to see us get a KR/PR a bit earlier maybe as a guy that can be that #3 or #4 WR. Gilyard if he falls to round 3 or if we have to trade up to get him in round 2 would be great especially because he fits in our current scheme well.

Yea, like I said, complete coincidence. I like Gilyard too, but Cooper is a better reciever. I think return men are like kickers or long snappers in a way. You don't really want a starter there unless he is REALLY good at it. You can find guys that will contribute in that area through free agency or late in the draft. Ya know, I actually do like Nichols to an extent. I just don't think he's any better than what we have.

edit: One more thing, we can play Justin Smith at some DE too when we want to have a beefed up front.

bwhit33

01-14-2010, 04:03 AM

[QUOTE=WiltonDeportes;2439267]Key scheme changes: 4-3 Base Defense and Pistol Offense... I don't think we have the personnel to make this change over night.

1. Carlos Dunlap DE Florida 6'6" 290 (junior)
I dont like taking a DE that early, especially one who i have dropping past us in the second round.
1. Anthony Davis OT Rutgers 6'6" 325 (junior)
No chance in hell A Davis is there for our first pick, let alone our second pick.
2. Major Wright SS Florida 6'0" 205 (junior)
I could get behind this pick if there were a huge run on safeties in the end of the first or the beginning of the second, but as team needs and draft strength don't coincide this wont happen.
3. Riley Cooper WR Florida 6'3" 215
Good WR, I like his size and his hands... I'd wait to see who is left on the board at this point, and take a page from Al Davis' draft scheme on any wr we take this year... we need speed at the position.
4. Aaron Hernandez TE/H-Back Florida 6'2" 255 (junior)
Awesome talent at the only position we really don't need any more talent. And ****... why the hard on for Florida?
5. Cord Howard OG Georgia Tech 6'5" 310
I do like this pick, big guy up front with decent hands, has quick feet and pulls well. Needs more work in pass protection however... and he wont be getting that from our Oline coach.
5c. Reggie Stephens OG/C Iowa State 6'3" 325
I'll be honest, i didnt watch this guy play at all this year, but taking back to back guards in the same round... i disagree with the pick unless he is the top player on the board at the pick.
6. Armanti Edwards QB Appalachian State 6' 190
I dont have him in my top 35 QB in this draft. I'll look into him.
7. Brandon James PR/KR/Utility Florida 5'7" 185
Goin back for seconds on the Gator Chub eh? He'd be an absolute steal in the 7th as a return guy, awesome speed...

WiltonDeportes

01-14-2010, 11:47 PM

[QUOTE=WiltonDeportes;2439267]Key scheme changes: 4-3 Base Defense and Pistol Offense... I don't think we have the personnel to make this change over night.
You would be surprised. In the front seven, Spikes slides to Sam linebacker where he played with Buffalo all those years. Willis gets to play his ultimate position. Brooks is a pretty solid weak side linebacker in my opinion with his rush ability and size to stop the run. Smith was a great penetrater at DT this year and we could play him at some end and tackle in the 4-3. Our wealth of other tackles could easily take up the other 2 spots. In fact, I think it would help out our former first rounder Balmer. On the opposite side, we will need to get a DE. We also will have Lawson and Haralson to play somewhere in there. I wouldn't play Haralson at linebacker though because of his lack of agility and instincts for the position. With all the teams moving to a 3-4, it's a great time to switch and also an opportunity to trade a guy like Haralson that fits that scheme more and get someone else's outcast that fits a 4-3.

Secondly, our personnel would fit a Pistol formation dominated offense perfectly if we gave it a try, but I won't go into that.

1. Carlos Dunlap DE Florida 6'6" 290 (junior)
I dont like taking a DE that early, especially one who i have dropping past us in the second round.
I think this is one of our biggest needs. We have been able to generate some pressure this year, but it was at the expense of coverage and our team really got exposed when they went Cover 0. We need a guy that can bring more dependable pressure so we can have another guy or 2 in coverage.
1. Anthony Davis OT Rutgers 6'6" 325 (junior)
No chance in hell A Davis is there for our first pick, let alone our second pick.
Like I said in another post, you could switch Davis and Dunlap in this mock if you like that better. There's a lot of big name tackles in the draft so you can't say for sure where they will all go.
2. Major Wright SS Florida 6'0" 205 (junior)
I could get behind this pick if there were a huge run on safeties in the end of the first or the beginning of the second, but as team needs and draft strength don't coincide this wont happen.
Lewis is going the way of Clements on the defensive side. He is not all that great in coverage and he had 3 concussions this past season. Wright is a safety that I have had my eye on as a great talent in the future. Him and Goldson would make for a great combo.
3. Riley Cooper WR Florida 6'3" 215
Good WR, I like his size and his hands... I'd wait to see who is left on the board at this point, and take a page from Al Davis' draft scheme on any wr we take this year... we need speed at the position.
How's that worked out for him? I think we need another true WR to complement Crabtree. Speed would be nice though, and Cooper is fast. Morgan should be a slot receiver in my opinion (a good one at that).
4. Aaron Hernandez TE/H-Back Florida 6'2" 255 (junior)
Awesome talent at the only position we really don't need any more talent. And ****... why the hard on for Florida?
I think he's a great value pick because he is an ideal TE in my opinion, and his size is going to make him less wanted by the conventional offensive schemed teams. Hernandez could play a great H-Back (especially in the Pistol) or TE for my team.
5. Cord Howard OG Georgia Tech 6'5" 310
I do like this pick, big guy up front with decent hands, has quick feet and pulls well. Needs more work in pass protection however... and he wont be getting that from our Oline coach.
Pretty much agreed.
5c. Reggie Stephens OG/C Iowa State 6'3" 325
I'll be honest, i didnt watch this guy play at all this year, but taking back to back guards in the same round... i disagree with the pick unless he is the top player on the board at the pick.
I like him because if he can get a little more fit, we will have a rarity at center. A big center like him would be hugely beneficial against teams that line up a big nose tackle over center. Heitmann is good center still, but we are getting into the 5th round and you don't expect him to start immediately. Think 1-2 down the line (or sooner if he really shows up and plays like I think he can).
6. Armanti Edwards QB Appalachian State 6' 190
I dont have him in my top 35 QB in this draft. I'll look into him.
Don't think of him as just a QB either. Think a little Pat White, a little Slash, a little Mike Vick. I'd like to use him in some triple option looks even as a rookie and then work him in at QB if we still need help there because he has a solid arm too.
7. Brandon James PR/KR/Utility Florida 5'7" 185
Goin back for seconds on the Gator Chub eh? He'd be an absolute steal in the 7th as a return guy, awesome speed...

Agreed. I could easily see him there in the 7th too because of his size. I bet he's actually 5'6".

WiltonDeportes

01-17-2010, 02:00 PM

49er_Rick

01-19-2010, 01:04 PM

Worth noting...assuming the Vikings win this game (and it seems inevitable at this point), the first 3 teams to advance to the conference championships all run 4-3 defenses. Obviously it will stop at 3 because the Jets and Chargers are both 3-4, but it is clear that it is working this year.

Well.... I gotta give you REP for thinking the entire process out, determining who you wanted and why and most of all explaining your decision to make a major change with the defense.

If I were the DC I would seriously consider what your suggesting. It makes sense. I'll keep my fingers crossed that the Niners consider the concept.

Well Done!

WiltonDeportes

01-21-2010, 03:46 PM

Well.... I gotta give you REP for thinking the entire process out, determining who you wanted and why and most of all explaining your decision to make a major change with the defense.

If I were the DC I would seriously consider what your suggesting. It makes sense. I'll keep my fingers crossed that the Niners consider the concept.

Well Done!

Thanks man. I am a student of the game, ex-player, and I am thinking about coaching one day. I am actually only 19, but I usually withhold that because people would give me less credibility. I am working on my theories of the game all the time, so check back from time to time.

edit: One thing I was thinking about the other day is how cool it would be to have Dunlap and Justin Smith on the same line. We could go big and put 2 big DT's in the game with Smith and Dunlap at the ends. OR, we could go small in pass rush situations and put Dunlap and Smith at DT and bring in 2 more effective pass rushers at DE.

dirty south

01-23-2010, 03:25 PM

Key scheme changes: 4-3 Base Defense and Pistol Offense

1. Carlos Dunlap DE Florida 6'6" 290 (junior)
Stud DE that can anchor our D-line for years to come. He will stop the run on the edge as well as rush the passer with his developing set of moves. He is starting to come into his own I think.
Birthday: February 28, 1989

1. Anthony Davis OT Rutgers 6'6" 325 (junior)
A big cat at RT. He has the strength, frame, and athleticism to dominate in all areas of blocking. He has quick feet in pass protection as well as size to one day be a dominating run blocker. He could improve his strength/speed some with an NFL training program.
Birthday: October 11, 1989

2. Major Wright SS Florida 6'0" 205 (junior)
Wright is a nice combination of intimidation, ball skills, and athleticism. He can play in the box some or cover like we desperately need out of our secondary.
Birthday: July 1, 1988

3. Riley Cooper WR Florida 6'3" 215
Big target reciever that is a good deep threat and makes a lot of tough catches over the middle and jump ball type plays. He is a very good athlete that would be a great match to Crabtree and allow Morgan to work out of the slot like I think he should. Needs work on route running.
Birthday: September 9, 1987

4. Aaron Hernandez TE/H-Back Florida 6'2" 255 (junior)
Fast TE that runs good routes, has good hands, and can block well. He can be used out of the backfield, at TE, or in the slot. He might drop a little due to his size and what that would mean in the current offenses in the NFL, but put him in my offense and he would be a star.
Birthday: November 6, 1989

5. Cord Howard OG Georgia Tech 6'5" 310
Very athletic well proportioned guard. Showed a lot of nastiness and ability to block in space. Good in limited footage of pass protection. Good zone blocker. Will have to get back to being in a normal 3 Point Stance after playing in GT's flexbone.
Birthday: July 7, 1987

5c. Reggie Stephens OG/C Iowa State 6'3" 325
Has experience at both guard positions and played center this year. I think he would be a good backup guard for now, but a very good long term center. Has solid agility inside and good strength. Must lose some fat, but has a lot of potential.
Birthday: August 28, 1987

6. Armanti Edwards QB Appalachian State 6' 190
Speedy QB who was extremely productive in college (only QB ever to throw for 9,000 and run for 4,000). His throwing is better than some realize. I don't necessarily think he is starting material, but he would make for a great sub that you can do some different things with. I would put him in a pistol look with 2 RBs split behind him and run option and spread option type plays. Or perhaps, I could put him in the pistol with a single RB behind him, and then put another RB in Jet Sweep motion towards him which would give him another angle for the triple option. I caution you not to take this statement overboard, but when I see him run, his style reminds me some of Chris Johnson. Also, should Alex Smith go down, this guy is exactly the type of giant killer that could step in and win some games.
Birthday: March 8, 1988

7. Brandon James PR/KR/Utility Florida 5'7" 185
James has incredible escapability and deserves a spot on this team. We need a returner BADLY. I would also try to get him a few touches on plays from scrimmage because of his playmaking ability. Michael Smith of Arkansas is another option for a very similar role.
Birthday: December 21, 1987

FA. Matt Asiata RB Utah 5'11" 230
Asiata is a good short yardage runner that we can pound the ball with. Quick feet and a load to take down.
Birthday: July 24, 1987

2010 Depth Chart

Sign FA DE. Aaron Kampman, Ray Edwards, Kyle Vanden Bosch, or possibly Peppers if available.

QB: Alex Smith/Nate Davis/Armanti Edwards
RB: Frank Gore/Glenn Coffee/Matt Asiata/Jehuu Caulcrick/Brandon James
H-Back: Delanie Walker/Aaron Hernandez
TE: Vernon Davis/Aaron Hernandez/JJ Finley
WR: Michael Crabtree/Riley Cooper/Josh Morgan/Jason Hill/Brandon James
LT: Joe Staley/Barry Sims
LG: David Baas/Cord Howard
C: Eric Heitmann/Reggie Stephens/Cody Wallace
RG: Chilo Rachal/Reggie Stephens
RT: Anthony Davis/Adam Snyder/Chris Patrick

DE: Carlos Dunlap/Manny Lawson/Derek Walker
DT: Aubrayo Franklin/Isaac Sopoaga/Kentwan Balmer/Khalif Mitchell
DT: Justin Smith/Ray McDonald/Ricky Jean Francois
DE: FA DE/Parys Haralson/Martail Bennett
LOLB: Takeo Spikes/Matt Wilhelm
MLB: Patrick Willis/Scott McKillop
ROLB: Ahmad Brooks/Diyral Briggs
CB: Shawntae Spencer/Tarell Brown/Nate Clements/Dre Bly/Marcus Hudson
SS: Major Wright/Michael Lewis/Reggie Smith
FS: Dashon Goldson/Curtis Taylor

KR: Brandon James/Josh Morgan
PR: Brandon James
K: Joe Nedney/Ricky Schmidt
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brandon Jennings/Scott McKillop?

wow all we got to do is get Urban Myers and we got the SF gators....WTF???

WiltonDeportes

01-23-2010, 09:14 PM

wow all we got to do is get Urban Myers and we got the SF gators....WTF???

great insight

OsBoogie

01-23-2010, 09:16 PM

hate it once again... take a good defense and switch the fundementals...

WiltonDeportes

01-24-2010, 03:51 AM

Updated. I had one other idea that I didn't make a part of it because of its unlikelyness, but I would trade Vernon Davis for a 1st and 3rd and take Everson Griffen to finish off the defensive line and Anthony McCoy to replace Davis at TE.

As for the Pistol, I'm not giving up on it. But, it's clear we won't be ready for it this year. Our entire offense is going to benefit from staying in the same system for more than a year. I am in favor of using multiple formations obviously, but I am definitely a believer in passing out of 2-Back sets when it comes to playing QB under center. That lends itself to better ball control, better running game, and hopefully less hits on the QB.

OsBoogie

01-24-2010, 07:10 AM

yes... trading away our record breaking TE just to change the basis of our very good defense.... awful dude

WiltonDeportes

01-24-2010, 02:28 PM

yes... trading away our record breaking TE just to change the basis of our very good defense.... awful dude

No that's not it. I'm not going to repeat myself, but look up what I said in the thread about Brent Jones saying things about VD. Vernon can do certain things that almost no other TE can do, but he also has things that average-decent TE's can do that he can't do as well. It wouldn't hurt the flow of a good offense that much to lose him.

I also like how you keep saying 'very good defense'...we have arguably the best nose tackle and best middle linebacker in the game. That made our rush defense the 6th best in the league. Our passing defense was 21st. Sure we played some good games defensively, but there's still holes there so don't kid yourself.

beasley for pres

01-24-2010, 02:40 PM

Well.. It's better than your all Gators draft...

Trap_Star

01-24-2010, 03:52 PM

are the b-days vital to draft positioning?

WiltonDeportes

01-24-2010, 07:58 PM

are the b-days vital to draft positioning?

Ya know, I probably don't need to show that. Younger in general usually means more potential though. You obviously don't want a 25 year old rookie.

OsBoogie

01-24-2010, 08:27 PM

No that's not it. I'm not going to repeat myself, but look up what I said in the thread about Brent Jones saying things about VD. Vernon can do certain things that almost no other TE can do, but he also has things that average-decent TE's can do that he can't do as well. It wouldn't hurt the flow of a good offense that much to lose him.

I also like how you keep saying 'very good defense'...we have arguably the best nose tackle and best middle linebacker in the game. That made our rush defense the 6th best in the league. Our passing defense was 21st. Sure we played some good games defensively, but there's still holes there so don't kid yourself.

if your pass defense is an issue you fix your secondary... not your front 7 when your rush d and overall d is good... stop kidding yourself... lol

and i don't care what you do or don't want to repeat... VD is our leading reciever and record breaking TE... and a good pass catching TE is a QB's best friend.... so drops or not... he was our biggest weapon... and it would hurt to lose him

WiltonDeportes

01-25-2010, 07:35 PM

if your pass defense is an issue you fix your secondary... not your front 7 when your rush d and overall d is good... stop kidding yourself... lol

and i don't care what you do or don't want to repeat... VD is our leading reciever and record breaking TE... and a good pass catching TE is a QB's best friend.... so drops or not... he was our biggest weapon... and it would hurt to lose him

That is such bad logic. So if we had 7 300 pound people in the front seven and gave up nothing on the ground but didn't get a pass rush, we would just have to upgrade the secondary to improve the pass rush? We need to be able to get a pass rush with less blitzers and/or more consistently get pressure. We also need to put more speed on the field to help us stop faster running backs, get more pass rush, and most importantly, speed at SS/LB to cover the TE/RB of the opposing teams. We would go into Man Cover 0 (no deep safety) with 6 rushing the passer, not get there quite soon enough, and get picked apart by good QBs because our backers or Michael Lewis would leave someone open.

Secondly, about VD and actually my past paragraph too. There's no point in arguing with you if you just want to stick with beliefs that you have (or cliches of football to a certain point) instead of coming up with real reasons.

edit: about the mock, I'm watching film of DE's right now and am in the process of adjusting it a little.

WiltonDeportes

01-29-2010, 04:53 PM

updated once again

L-Smoove

01-29-2010, 06:36 PM

sorry dood this is the worst draft ever lol.

WiltonDeportes

01-30-2010, 04:25 PM

sorry dood this is the worst draft ever lol.

what makes you say that?

roryslosh

01-30-2010, 06:05 PM

sorry dood this is the worst draft ever lol.

x2.

I would be livid if thats how it played out.

OsBoogie

01-30-2010, 06:43 PM

lol

Trap_Star

01-30-2010, 06:48 PM

man im not a 9er fan, but why change the D when it's more than good? and then draft 2 DEs in the first HOPING they live up to expections?

taking 2 steps back IMO. *scratches head*

roryslosh

01-30-2010, 06:55 PM

man im not a 9er fan, but why change the D when it's more than good? and then draft 2 DEs in the first HOPING they live up to expections?

taking 2 steps back IMO. *scratches head*

Not only that drafting OL in the 3rd and 5th round and immediately inserting them as starters...

WiltonDeportes

01-30-2010, 07:20 PM

Not only that drafting OL in the 3rd and 5th round and immediately inserting them as starters...

I am not suggesting they be starters from Day 1. I just think they are good enough to start soon and they can be had outside the top 2 rounds.

WiltonDeportes

01-30-2010, 07:42 PM

man im not a 9er fan, but why change the D when it's more than good? and then draft 2 DEs in the first HOPING they live up to expections?

taking 2 steps back IMO. *scratches head*

Our D is still in need of some pieces to become elite. Our players and scheme make us blitz a ton to get pressure. Then we expose our guys in coverage and expect the blitzers to create enough havoc it doesn't matter. Either that, or we rush 4 and generally don't get much pressure. Good QB's can defeat that plan. It made us tough to beat and very physical, sure, but it has holes that can be exploited.

Our run stopping would not be hugely negated by a change since we would have the same key personel in Willis, Spikes, Franklin, Smith, and our wealth of other DT's. Take off our least helpful run defenders in Haralson and Lawson, and take off one of our DT's. Add two 280 pound DE's that are active in the run game (not to mention pass rushing) and fairly stout at the point for their size and another LB that can pursue ball carriers and blitz.

We would be more complete defensively, saving resources in the long run because it takes a lot for a really good 3-4 defense. We can use those resources to make our offense even better.

roryslosh

01-30-2010, 07:52 PM

Our D is still in need of some pieces to become elite. Our players and scheme make us blitz a ton to get pressure. Then we expose our guys in coverage and expect the blitzers to create enough havoc it doesn't matter. Either that, or we rush 4 and generally don't get much pressure. Good QB's can defeat that plan. It made us tough to beat and very physical, sure, but it has holes that can be exploited.

We didnt blitz nearly as much as other teams yet we were 3rd in sacks. I really dont know where you get your crazy ideas from...

WiltonDeportes

01-30-2010, 08:00 PM

Another weakness of the 3-4:

Say the offense comes out with 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB. If they come out in the 3-4 and run zone, they will be torched by a good offense. The defense will be forced to either:

1. put a safety on the slot man and run man coverage
2. come out in a 3-3 with a nickleback on the corner (any coverage)
3. come out in a 2-4 with a nickleback on the corner (any coverage)

In Situation 1, a good slot man should beat the safety 90% of the time.
In Situation 2, the pass rush advantage of a 3-4 is now somewhat negated with one linebacker now off the field. There is less mystery where it is coming from, so they better have guys that win 1-1 matchups.
In Situation 3, this team has a big disadvantage in the run game.

You create more big plays with more speed on D in the 4-3 (and eliminate the opponents big plays), you do it more cheaply, and you leave less holes for offensive coordinators to exploit. The 3-4 requires excellence at certain positions. Excellent nose tackle, excellent OLB, excellent MLB, excellent coverage. The 4-3 spreads the stress points of the defense out a little and allows for rookies or less experienced players to step in and play immediately and aggresively.

WiltonDeportes

01-30-2010, 08:01 PM

We didnt blitz nearly as much as other teams yet we were 3rd in sacks. I really dont know where you get your crazy ideas from...

Do you have stats on how much we blitzed? Because we sure blitzed a lot. Rightly so, considering it is a 3-4. We were also 21st in pass defense so number of sacks doesn't represent our pass defense.

bwhit33

01-31-2010, 04:27 AM

Wow, i didn't think you could revise your mock into a less palatable version, but congratulations... you succeeded in baffling confused stupidity.

A. HOW THE HELL DOES 4 DL + 3 LB make for a faster D than 3 DL + 4 LB?!?!?
B. Again, assuming standard 2wr 1te 2rb formation and the standard 4 man rush, how do the stress points spread in a 4-3 versus a 3-4? In my count theres still 3 non rush LB 2 CB and 2 S. Yes you could argue that in the 3-4 the blitz might come from the player who would be the ideal candidate to cover target B, but simple communication would curb that disadvantage to the point that it cancels out with the added 'possible' pressure from the mismatching rushing point.
C. Anthony Dixon is a bruising RB moreso than a FB, IMHO... 3 powerbacks ftl.
D. any QB from this draft is a terrible waste of a pick.
E. Why the **** would you spend 2 top 20 picks on the same position when at worst we only need 1 starter. Justin Smith would stay at DE, no doubt in my mind.

The only pick i really like of yours is Thomas, who is taken at a position where we should not be drafting a WR, and i think he can be had one or two rounds later. He did nothing but make great plays in a terrible passing offense...

WiltonDeportes

01-31-2010, 01:41 PM

A. HOW THE HELL DOES 4 DL + 3 LB make for a faster D than 3 DL + 4 LB?!?
Note that when I say "LB", I mean someone that would play LB in a 4-3. When I say DE, I mean the outsidemost man on the line of scrimmage(the OLB in the 3-4 or just the DE in the 4-3). Most of the time, it works out like this:
The 3-4 has 1 NT, 2 DT, 2 DE, 2 LB
The 4-3 has 1 NT, 1 DT, 2 DE, 3 LB
The 4-3 loses out on a DT, but it has more size at DE than the 3-4 does. It also gains another LB. The linebackers in this scheme can be faster and smaller.
B. Again, assuming standard 2wr 1te 2rb formation and the standard 4 man rush, how do the stress points spread in a 4-3 versus a 3-4? In my count theres still 3 non rush LB 2 CB and 2 S. Yes you could argue that in the 3-4 the blitz might come from the player who would be the ideal candidate to cover target B, but simple communication would curb that disadvantage to the point that it cancels out with the added 'possible' pressure from the mismatching rushing point.
The 3-4 makes you be aggressive in it (if you want to be successful). This means lots of blitzing. That puts pressure on a lot of things. Your nose tackle to be a force inside, taking on 2 blockers, etc. Your linebackers getting off blocks and getting to the QB quickly. Your coverage tight enough while having zero or next to zero help.
C. Anthony Dixon is a bruising RB moreso than a FB, IMHO... 3 powerbacks ftl.
There is such a thing as a position change. I think Dixon could do it, and it would give us a lot of advantages in 2-Back sets. Heck, he played FB in the Senior Bowl.
edit: If the fullback experiment fails (which it shouldn't), at worst we have a power back to mix in with our top 2 backs that are more slashers than anything else.
D. any QB from this draft is a terrible waste of a pick.
GOOD rationale.
E. Why the **** would you spend 2 top 20 picks on the same position when at worst we only need 1 starter. Justin Smith would stay at DE, no doubt in my mind.
I'd have to disagree with you. He played extremely well from the DT position this year. He will be able to play some DE, but we don't need to play the same 2 DE's all game.

WiltonDeportes

01-31-2010, 02:53 PM

Also, let me repeat for you bwhit33, that a 3-4 defense is more exposed when the opponent goes to a 3-4 WR set than a 4-3 defense is.

WiltonDeportes

02-03-2010, 01:17 AM

Updated. If we got all these guys, we would have our offensive nucleus complete. Crabtree, Williams, Davis, Dixon, and Gore could stay on the field 70% of the time if we wanted. Throw in Walker at TE or Morgan in the slot, and we now have a nice set of weapons.

bwhit33

02-03-2010, 02:48 AM

The 4-3 loses out on a DT, but it has more size at DE than the 3-4 does. It also gains another LB. The linebackers in this scheme can be faster and smaller.

Well, I respectfully disagree with your stance on the 4-3... but are u suggesting that 4-3 DE are bigger than 3-4 DE? Because i was under the impression that 3-4 DE were more or less more agile versions of the 4-3 DT.

PS. is Shawn Lauvao from ISU or Arizona State?

WiltonDeportes

02-03-2010, 04:04 AM

Well, I respectfully disagree with your stance on the 4-3... but are u suggesting that 4-3 DE are bigger than 3-4 DE? Because i was under the impression that 3-4 DE were more or less more agile versions of the 4-3 DT.

PS. is Shawn Lauvao from ISU or Arizona State?

No, 4-3 ends are smaller than 3-4 ends. I meant 4-3 ends are bigger than 3-4 OLB's. In my mind, the 3-4 is more like a 5-2 with stand up ends (what you call the OLB's). Personnel wise, it makes much more sense.

And yea, I made a typo. He went to ASU.

WiltonDeportes

02-03-2010, 04:39 AM

Well, I respectfully disagree with your stance on the 4-3... but are u suggesting that 4-3 DE are bigger than 3-4 DE? Because i was under the impression that 3-4 DE were more or less more agile versions of the 4-3 DT.

PS. is Shawn Lauvao from ISU or Arizona State?

Let me break it down for you on the 3-4 defense:

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That's the base defense. It can be good vs the run because of the size upfront and good vs the pass because of the pressure you can create. The heart of this D is the nose tackle.

If the offense forces you to put 5 DB's on the field, now you have to make a decision with your front 7.

1. Do you take one of your pass rushers (DE/OLB) off the field?
You lose a lot of pass rush if you do and put more pressure on your coverage. You also lose one side's outside run stopper.
2. Do you take a MLB off the field?
You then only have one linebacker on the field that can stop inside runs because those DE/OLB's have outside gap responsibility.
3. Do you take a DT off the field? (these are the 2 DT's on either side of the Nose Tackle.)
If you do, then you have to shade you nose tackle and now he can't be used to full effectiveness vs the run. Your OLB/DE's were probably considered too small to play DE in a 4-3 (but fit that hybrid role in the 3-4 perfectly), but now they are playing with their hand in the ground. You are basically playing an over or under front with 3 out of the 4 players on the line not playing their ideal position.
4. Do you take your NT off the field?
If you do, your run defense just lost it's best player. Who keeps the offensive linemen off the linebackers? And, you still have your hybrid OLB/DE's playing with their hand in the ground most likely.

Having really good personnel that are real versatile can solve some of these problems, but:
A) It's hard to find those players
B) They are generally coveted in the draft and expensive in FA

SB49er4life

02-03-2010, 09:32 AM

Dude, we are NOT gonna run a 4-3 anytime in the near future. There is exactly a 0% chance of that happening. If we were, the picks would be great, but we are not, so it makes the entire draft moot.

WiltonDeportes

02-03-2010, 03:29 PM

Dude, we are NOT gonna run a 4-3 anytime in the near future. There is exactly a 0% chance of that happening. If we were, the picks would be great, but we are not, so it makes the entire draft moot.

I think McLoughan has talked about being willing to move to a 4-3 if we get a dominant DE, but I could be wrong.

My belief, like Bill Walsh, is that defense is all about personnel. We can get 2 stud DE's in the first that will play every down and be anchors of our defense. We don't take any current starter off the field that's been especially good or anything either. Combine that with my beliefs that a 4-3 defense is more sound than a 3-4, and the choice to shift to a 3-4 seems to be a slam dunk.

WiltonDeportes

02-08-2010, 04:30 AM

Alright, I have finally come around on the 3-4. The biggest thing I have learned about it is the ways to use the Nickle personnel and I am believing now that it is a more advanced defensive scheme. I've updated the draft to move back to 3-4 personnel and with that, I have a couple high picks to play with. Let me know what you think.

#1 fall back option on Anthony Davis: Take Brian Bulaga in his place and put him at RT.

#2 fall back option: Move everyone from Chad Jones to Anthony Dixon up a slot and take Rodger Saffold in the 4th and put him at RT.

bwhit33

02-08-2010, 02:31 PM

First, grats on coming around to the 3-4.

So you are saying if OT is a reach, you want us to reach terribly on all 4 of our picks in the first three rounds?

Jones... i dont see 4 S goin in the first round and in likelihood Thomas will be there at the pick and should be taken over Jones.

Thomas is a third rounder at best out of a funky offense where he got little to no coaching. his stats were indicative of the ''run to set up the pass, even tho we only pass twice a quarter, so good luck guessing when that is'' offense.

Lewis, i have down as a safety prospect, usually the transition goes the other way because playing center field and playing man to man are two distinct skills.

Dixon is the only non reach here to me as i see him going in the mid to late second or early half of the 3rd.

Saffold seems like a bit of a reach at 4 as well, Ciron Black, Zane Beadles or Chris Marinelli should be available at this juncture and i would take them all over saffold.

Cord Howard is a good pick and actually is of proper value in the 5th.

Lauvao i have as a higher rated G prospect than Cord, so the chances of him being there in the 6th might be slim.

George Johnson is one of those tweeners. He is a 4-3 DE, definitely not a 3-4 DE. I dont know how well he will translate into the standup role as 3-4 OLB. Good value if he does transition well tho.

Holliday is a good pick, he fills one of our top 3 needs and is **** good at what he does. Chances a team takes him as a slot receiver project and KR stud earlier is fairly likely.

Overall i like the picks, but i dont think you are getting much value at any of them aside from A. Davis at 13, whose potential value could overshadow all the other reaches, but ya never know :P

WiltonDeportes

02-08-2010, 07:29 PM

First, grats on coming around to the 3-4.

So you are saying if OT is a reach, you want us to reach terribly on all 4 of our picks in the first three rounds?
Well, I don't think they are reaches. How do you define a reach? Everyone thought when Al Davis took Nnamdi Asomugha that it was a huge reach, but it seems to have worked out alright. Also, you can't really list steals on a mock draft.

Jones... i dont see 4 S goin in the first round and in likelihood Thomas will be there at the pick and should be taken over Jones.
Jones is the #1 true strong safety in the draft. Like I said in the mock, we need a guy that can come into the box and stop the run well and be good in coverage. Polamalu and Adrian Wilson are perfect examples of how these players are used in a 3-4. I like Goldson a lot too and don't think we need another FS.

Thomas is a third rounder at best out of a funky offense where he got little to no coaching. his stats were indicative of the ''run to set up the pass, even tho we only pass twice a quarter, so good luck guessing when that is'' offense.
Say what you want about him and the offense he comes from, but I have seen him make some spectacular players. His hands might be the best in the draft. I have seen him run some routes too and they really aren't ALL that bad. He has the right idea. The other thing I like about him is his tackle breaking ability and nothing is going to change that. He's got a lot of these tools and I think we will be able to put it all together into a very good WR opposite Crabtree.

Lewis, i have down as a safety prospect, usually the transition goes the other way because playing center field and playing man to man are two distinct skills.
Lewis played corner in college and I really don't understand the desire to move him to FS. Maybe they just look at the size because he can definitely play corner.

Dixon is the only non reach here to me as i see him going in the mid to late second or early half of the 3rd.
That may be. I'm kind of sliding people around, so you could switch Lewis and Dixon if that meant getting both of them.

Saffold seems like a bit of a reach at 4 as well, Ciron Black, Zane Beadles or Chris Marinelli should be available at this juncture and i would take them all over saffold.
Are you kidding me? Black is OK. Beadles is not a tackle. Marinelli I have seen absolutely destroyed in pass protection. Saffold, on the other hand, has good size and athleticism. He might have been the best player at the Shrine Bowl.

Cord Howard is a good pick and actually is of proper value in the 5th.

Lauvao i have as a higher rated G prospect than Cord, so the chances of him being there in the 6th might be slim.
Well that is the 5th round compensation pick, but I really don't have a feel for his value to be honest.

George Johnson is one of those tweeners. He is a 4-3 DE, definitely not a 3-4 DE. I dont know how well he will translate into the standup role as 3-4 OLB. Good value if he does transition well tho.
Read what I said about naming OLB's in the 3-4. It makes no sense to call them linebackers. They aren't 'backing the defensive line', they most likely didn't play linebacker in college, and they would probably play DE in any other scheme. They are also on the end of the line of scrimmage, thus the name 'end' (just like tight ends). Also, what you call 3-4 DE's are really defensive tackles. They almost never get an outside rush. They commonly weigh 290+.

Holliday is a good pick, he fills one of our top 3 needs and is **** good at what he does. Chances a team takes him as a slot receiver project and KR stud earlier is fairly likely.
I actually doubt someone seriously thinks he is a slot reciever. Maybe a 4th or 5th just to give the D something to think about, but his hands are not that good. He is at a huge disadvantage at 5'5" too. Maybe he goes earlier, but no problem. My philosophy is not to take a 3rd round punt returner. So what, we get a really good one and then they just punt it out of bounds? Doesn't make sense to overly value that position.

Overall i like the picks, but i dont think you are getting much value at any of them aside from A. Davis at 13, whose potential value could overshadow all the other reaches, but ya never know :P
I'd be excited to get Davis as I was dreaming of a Davis-Howard left side of the line that could absolutely abuse D-lines if they wanted (maybe they could be our version of Walter Jones-Hutchinson). I stand by all my other picks though if we don't get him or Bulaga in the first.