View Full Version : Rookies that do sack the Q.B. !
BigMar
10-26-2006, 04:14 PM
Bears:Mark Anderson = 6.5 sacks / 2 forced fumbles
Broncos: Elvis Dumervil = 5 sacks / 1 forced fumble
Chiefs: Tamba Hali = 3.5 sacks / 4 forced fumbles
Browns: Kamerion Wimbley = 3 sacks
So Pass Rush talented rookies can indeed sack the Q.B.
Either you have that knack as a Rookie or you dont.
P.S. Regarding the Bears Defense, here is how their "D-Line sacks" have been generated:
6.5 Sacks by Mark Anderson
5.0 Sacks by Tommie Harris
Manny Lason 2 sacks and a blocked punt
:superman:
nolanlover
10-26-2006, 04:42 PM
Manny Lason 2 sacks and a blocked punt
mark anderson and dumervil were drafted way later than manny lawson was, and I thought manny lawson's best skill was pass rushing? the only game where he actually pressured the QB was back in week 2
SB49er4life
10-26-2006, 05:10 PM
mark anderson and dumervil were drafted way later than manny lawson was, and I thought manny lawson's best skill was pass rushing? the only game where he actually pressured the QB was back in week 2
Mark Anderson and Elvis Dumervil:
Dumervil has ALWAYS been a playmaker, look at what he was doin in Louisville. The only reason he wasn't a 1st round pick was because of combine numbers, which I've said and will continue to say, are waaaay overrated. To me it is no surprise that he's doin what he is doing.
Also, don't act like these 2 rookies have single handedly resurrected their teams defenses. Both of them play for 2 of 5 most dominant defenses in the league, in which teams have plenty of other players to account for on their defenses. Switch Manny Lawson and either of those 2 guys' defenses and watch the stats shift.
MasterShake
10-26-2006, 06:12 PM
Manny has 2 sacks and a blocked punt yes. Both nice for a rookie, but thats not even where he is most valuable....
Manny is very good in coverage and run defense as a rookie linebacker converting from DE.....thats amazing. He will add bulk and pass rush moves over the next 2-3 years....he is going to be an outstanding all-around 3-4 OLB.
BrentJones84
10-26-2006, 06:25 PM
But one aspect is, if you are drafted into a good defense, it's easier to get sacks.
If your pash rushing teammates are drawing double coverage, that leaves holes to get to the QB. If your secondary teamates are in tight coverage, that forces the the QB to hold on the ball longer for a sack to come.
BigB_85
10-26-2006, 07:46 PM
1. Lawson isn't playing with too many other playmakers around him
2. Manny Lawson mostly plays 4-3 OLB, so he isn't sent after the QB that often
BigB_85
10-26-2006, 07:50 PM
Mark Anderson and Elvis Dumervil:
Dumervil has ALWAYS been a playmaker, look at what he was doin in Louisville. The only reason he wasn't a 1st round pick was because of combine numbers, which I've said and will continue to say, are waaaay overrated. To me it is no surprise that he's doin what he is doing.
Also, don't act like these 2 rookies have single handedly resurrected their teams defenses. Both of them play for 2 of 5 most dominant defenses in the league, in which teams have plenty of other players to account for on their defenses. Switch Manny Lawson and either of those 2 guys' defenses and watch the stats shift.
Dumervil was great at Louisville, definitely a steal in the 4th round. However, I think you are exaggerating how much the combine hurt his stock. Obviously his numbers probably didn't help his draft value too much, but if memory serves me right he never really was viewed as a 1st rounder. I think teams questioned his height (5-11) and overall athletic ability.
Dumervil was great at Louisville, definitely a steal in the 4th round. However, I think you are exaggerating how much the combine hurt his stock. Obviously his numbers probably didn't help his draft value too much, but if memory serves me right he never really was viewed as a 1st rounder. I think teams questioned his height (5-11) and overall athletic ability.
And showed up with a beer belly at the combine. :surrender:
BigB_85
10-26-2006, 07:53 PM
And showed up with a beer belly at the combine. :surrender:
Heck, at least he didn't pull a Lendale White, showing up to the combine with man boobs.
daredevil2-5
10-26-2006, 08:06 PM
Dumervil as a 1st round WTF? But true story, he was a steal, even though he'll permanently have Nike on his calf.
Giedi
10-26-2006, 08:08 PM
Mark Anderson and Elvis Dumervil:
Dumervil has ALWAYS been a playmaker, look at what he was doin in Louisville. The only reason he wasn't a 1st round pick was because of combine numbers, which I've said and will continue to say, are waaaay overrated. To me it is no surprise that he's doin what he is doing.
Also, don't act like these 2 rookies have single handedly resurrected their teams defenses. Both of them play for 2 of 5 most dominant defenses in the league, in which teams have plenty of other players to account for on their defenses. Switch Manny Lawson and either of those 2 guys' defenses and watch the stats shift.
That was my thinking too. Fred Dean came in here - after we had Jack Reynolds, Archie Reese, Dwain Board, Pete Kugler, and of course - Lott, hicks, Wright and williamson. He had a lot of help getting sacks.
I think the same thing can be said with a rookie getting those sacks. The rest of the folks around him are helping him get those sacks. Not to demean these other rookie guys, but I think once we get some good D Line guys that can put some decent pressure on the QB all by themselves, then' you'll see Manny picking up more stats.
Giedi
Giedi
10-26-2006, 08:15 PM
Manny is very good in coverage and run defense as a rookie linebacker converting from DE.....thats amazing. He will add bulk and pass rush moves over the next 2-3 years....he is going to be an outstanding all-around 3-4 OLB.
That's my hope that he adds some bulk and upper body strength. I'd like him to add enough weight to get to the 260 pound mark - that would give him bulk and strenght against the run, and still preserve the speed and quickness that he has.
Giedi
Smith2Bryant
10-26-2006, 08:21 PM
They're also not starters...Dumerville only has like 7 tackles and anderson only has like 10. They come in fresh when the linemen are tired.
Lawson plays alot of coverage, and he does a great job at it. You never hear about him blowing coverage or see him miss tackles.
Giedi
10-26-2006, 08:22 PM
It is showing OUR generation...we're getting "older" MAN! but hopefully wiser! :fishing:
Heh, don't forget the alley 'oop - R.C. Owens, the original *Owens* and Gene Washington, and Billy Kilmer and then who can forget the million dollar backfield.
Heh. Now that's showing *age!* ;)
Giedi
101South
10-26-2006, 08:53 PM
I couldnt believe Mark Anderson lasted till the 6th after his performance at the combine. He schooled DBrick Ferguson twice and showed rare (for a prospect) both inside and outside moves as well as great hand technique.
When we passed him by in the 3rd I was miffed, but obviously other teams blew it too. I dont think this is just a fluke for him, but indicative of what could be a consistent 10+ sacks/year for a while.
daredevil2-5
10-26-2006, 09:02 PM
I thought Dummerville was knocked because even though he lead the nation in sacks, they came in a short span within the first few weeks and then died down.
That and he was small for a DE, even for a LB he was pushin it.
DallasNiner
10-26-2006, 09:50 PM
Mark Anderson and Elvis Dumervil:
Dumervil has ALWAYS been a playmaker, look at what he was doin in Louisville. The only reason he wasn't a 1st round pick was because of combine numbers, which I've said and will continue to say, are waaaay overrated. To me it is no surprise that he's doin what he is doing.
Also, don't act like these 2 rookies have single handedly resurrected their teams defenses. Both of them play for 2 of 5 most dominant defenses in the league, in which teams have plenty of other players to account for on their defenses. Switch Manny Lawson and either of those 2 guys' defenses and watch the stats shift.
As much as I hate to agree with you on anything :tung: that, that is bolded is quite true.
majesstik1
10-26-2006, 09:54 PM
I couldnt believe Mark Anderson lasted till the 6th after his performance at the combine. He schooled DBrick Ferguson twice and showed rare (for a prospect) both inside and outside moves as well as great hand technique.
When we passed him by in the 3rd I was miffed, but obviously other teams blew it too. I dont think this is just a fluke for him, but indicative of what could be a consistent 10+ sacks/year for a while.
I wondered about that too. My guess is he had bad interviews. Same with Stanley McClover. I knew McClover was raw, but he was once projected as a 3rd Rounder, and he slid to CAR in the 7th.
I wondered about that too. My guess is he had bad interviews. Same with Stanley McClover. I knew McClover was raw, but he was once projected as a 3rd Rounder, and he slid to CAR in the 7th.
Your own projections don't count, homer. :nana:
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