Smith or Rodgers

[49erlott]

Originally Posted by krnbanguboi

Exactly. See:
JaMarcus Russell
JP Losman
Rex Grossman
JT O'Sullivan
Byron Leftwich
Daunte Culpepper [Was a good QB, but his accuracy is too poor now]


BTW that quote in your sig was meant to express sarcasm toward the new poster, but hey w/e I'm happy I'm in your sig.

Thank you for proving my point, and I thought it was, but hey if you turn out to be right you will get major props ards:

[101South]

Originally Posted by D'Accardo42

I doubt a 20 something millionare who is set for life will be flipping burgers at anything other than a barbeque. No matter how bad a qb he was.

Thank you. :clapping: This is such a tired saying that has no application to any ex pro sports athlete.

It's like that former AIG Chairman is gonna be flippin burgers now. And the ex Wachovia CEO is gonna be the fry cook. And guess who's blending shakes...? Why, its soon to be ex President George Bush.

Originally Posted by NinerCapHell

We'd have a franchise QB today.

Rodgers was ALWAYS the better player than Smith in every way but height. Better arm, better mechanics, better footwork, better technique, quicker release, better at making basic reads, better pocket presence, better accuracy, hell he even had a better 40 time, bench, squat, clean and vertical jump. Top it off, he is more intelligent where it ACTUALLY counts - behind the scenes studying his playbooks, understanding plays in-depth, understanding reads and audibles, and most of all, smarter when the ball is in play.

This was clear for me from day one when I watched them in college.

Put a better player in a worse situation, the better player will still find ways to overcome the very worst. He probably wouldn't have been an all-star with that OL, but he certainly would have made MUCH bigger strides and MUCH more use of the tools around him especially when he's coached by the league's brightest minds in McCarthy, Turner and Martz.

We drafted a 4th round quality PROJECT player with the #1 overall pick and in the process passed over a top 10 quality PRO-READY player.

Hey! Someone to have a discussion with. No disputing what the combine numbers say but I will dispute your assessment of Aaron being the smarter QB. He's had 4 years in the same system with a competent offensive line. How can you make the comparison.

Let's look at what Alex has had:

year 1-pushed into the starters postion behind a new and completely inept line with no weopons worth speaking of and the leagues 30th ranked defense. Alex is hurt early and gets no reps the rest of the season.

year 2-new offense, same line (with the exception of Larry Allen). We lead the NFC in rushing and Alex has a good year where he progressed greatly. Defense still sucked ranking 26th.

year 3-new offense, same line but it's nicked up ALL year. Complete failure as far as progress goes and Alex gets hurt behind a mix and match line again. the defense ranks 25th.

present year-new offense, new line that's nicked up all the time and once again, Alex is hurt. Has had next to no reps in the offense and the defense is well on it's way to ranking 32nd in the league but currently lingers somewhere around 22. (my general figuring done with the basic 4 defensive rankings. I couldn't find the actual stat)

Sounds like Aaron has had every advantage including air time in college. I don't know what sports package you have, but I seen Aaron a few times on network cable and not once did I see Alex until the combine and all the draft hi-light packages. I knew nothing of Alex going into the draft other than everyone and their dog was rating him #1? Somewhere, somebody more qualified than yourself seen that Alex was the better prospect and not only that, it was consensus.

Now guys slide in the draft all the time, franchises make mistakes even more frequently and I'm not attacking your ability to judge talent but I highly doubt that you yourself, ever seen more tape on these two than nearly every other staff in the league.

As far as Aaron being smarter, how would you know? Have you ever spoken with him? Ever seen him prepare for his games? Me neither. I can't say either one is smarter because there's absolutely no evidence to support it other than that rediculous wunderlich test and the current results of Aaron Rogers on a superior team that he's studied in for nearly 4 years.

[pedro9erfan]

Originally Posted by 49erfan_4life

How would you think 49ers would be doing now if Nolan drifted Rodgers over Smith?

I realize you're a Rodgers guy, but comparing Rodgers play this season with Smith's career here is ludicrous. And saying that putting Rodgers in the position Smith was put in would have led us to substantially more wins is seriously reaching, and slightly delusional.

Rodgers sat behind Favre for three years. This had an obvious affect as Rogers resembles Favre at times when playing.

That being said, for a rookie QB to be successful in the NFL, he needs a decent OL and a better than average running game. If you want a team to WIN with a rookie QB, you also need a good defense.

Arm strength is one of about 20 or 30 qualities that affect QBs, and how good they are. Just my eyeball test says Smith doesn't have a weak arm. His relatively slow throwing motion would probably hold more water as a disparaging point.

Rookie QBs don't "save" bad teams. They try not to screw things up too much and they make a few plays when needed, hopefully.

[49erglorydays]

Originally Posted by T-Diddy

Hey! Someone to have a discussion with. No disputing what the combine numbers say but I will dispute your assessment of Aaron being the smarter QB. He's had 4 years in the same system with a competent offensive line. How can you make the comparison.

Let's look at what Alex has had:

year 1-pushed into the starters postion behind a new and completely inept line with no weopons worth speaking of and the leagues 30th ranked defense. Alex is hurt early and gets no reps the rest of the season.

year 2-new offense, same line (with the exception of Larry Allen. We lead the NFC in rushing and Alex has a good year where he progressed greatly. Defense still sucked ranking 26th.

year 3-new offense, same line but it's nicked up ALL year. Complete failure as far as progress goes and Alex gets hurt behind a mix and match line again. the defense ranks 25th.

present year-new offense, new line that's nicked up all the time and once again, Alex is hurt. Has had next to no reps in the offense and the defense is well on it's way to ranking 32nd in the league but currently lingers somewhere around 22. (my general figuring done with the basic 4 defensive rankings. I couldn't find the actual stat)

Sounds like Aaron has had every advantage including air time in college. I don't know what sports package you have, but I seen Aaron a few times on network cable and not once did I see Alex until the combine and all the draft hi-light packages. I knew nothing of Alex going into the draft other than everyone and their dog was rating him #1? Somewhere, somebody more qualified than yourself seen that Alex was the better prospect and not only that, it was consensus.

Now guys slide in the draft all the time, franchises make mistakes even more frequently and I'm not attacking your ability to judge talent but I highly doubt that you yourself, ever seen more tape on these two than nearly every other staff in the league.

As far as Aaron being smarter, how would you know. Have you ever spoken with him? Ever seen him prepare for his games? Me neither. I can't say either one is smarter because there's absolutely no evidence to support it other than that rediculous wunderlich test and the current results of Aaron Rogers on a superior team that he's studied in for nearly 4 years.

We had no business taking any QB in that draft...PERIOD!!...Especially as the #1 pick!! Smith, Rodgers....It doesn't matter! With the horrible O-Line and lack of weapons...it was a recipie for disaster, whoever came in. We should have traded down for whatever we could get, or used it on a legitimate weapon......ANYTHING BUT A QB!

[pedro9erfan]

Originally Posted by 49erglorydays

We had no business taking any QB in that draft...PERIOD!!...Especially as the #1 pick!! Smith, Rodgers....It doesn't matter! With the horrible O-Line and lack of weapons...it was a recipie for disaster, whoever came in. We should have traded down for whatever we could get, or used it on a legitimate weapon......ANYTHING BUT A QB!

Totally agree. It's like putting an expensive, exotic engine in an old pinto with flat tires, and flooring it. Engine's gonna blow.

It shouldn't affect a franchises decision, but you know fans would've been freaking if we didn't take a QB.

Originally Posted by 49erglorydays

We had no business taking any QB in that draft...PERIOD!!...Especially as the #1 pick!! Smith, Rodgers....It doesn't matter! With the horrible O-Line and lack of weapons...it was a recipie for disaster, whoever came in. We should have traded down for whatever we could get, or used it on a legitimate weapon......ANYTHING BUT A QB!

Now that's truth. We couldn't keep Tim Rattay or Ken Dorsey off their backs or healthy and what do we do...good point man.

[leothedog]

Originally Posted by 49erfan_4life

How would you think 49ers would be doing now if Nolan drifted Rodgers over Smith?

Same.
Instead of Smith having shoulder surgery, it would be Rogers and just about everyone would be calling HIM a bust.

[PrideofdaNiners]

Originally Posted by 49erfan_4life

How would you think 49ers would be doing now if Nolan drifted Rodgers over Smith?

Nice bit of trolling there. Almost had me.

[GIANTNINERFAN]

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