Martz in 2008

[PuppetMaster]

Martz was put in charge of our offense, he had complete control. Martz was given all the pieces he needed to put a productive and effective product on the field, and he failed miserably at it.

It is Singletary who picked up the pieces and put the right personnel on the field, not Martz. Martz' "offense", Martz' "pieces" formed a failing squad.

The fact that Singletary, a defensive player with no HC or DC experience what so ever knows what personnel is better for Martz' playbook than Martz does, IS MIND BLOWING.

The fact that Singletary, a defensive player, with no HC or DC experience is removing horrible plays from our gameplan that Martz wants to run on Sundays and is telling Martz to run this type or that type of play, and gets it better than Martz did and has, IS MIND BLOWING.

We can talk all day long about how it is Martz' playbook, how Martz once upon a time wrote up these plays, but the truth of the matter is that Singletary and Hill are the reasons our offense is much better, not Martz.


Martz' has failed horrible in 2008 as our OC.

[SirMyztiq]

Originally Posted by PuppetMaster

Martz was put in charge of our offense, he had complete control. Martz was given all the pieces he needed to put a productive and effective product on the field, and he failed miserably at it.

It is Singletary who picked up the pieces and put the right personnel on the field, not Martz. Martz' "offense", Martz' "pieces" formed a failing squad.

The fact that Singletary, a defensive player with no HC or DC experience what so ever knows what personnel is better for Martz' playbook than Martz does, IS MIND BLOWING.

The fact that Singletary, a defensive player, with no HC or DC experience is removing horrible plays from our gameplan that Martz wants to run on Sundays and is telling Martz to run this type or that type of play, and gets it better than Martz did and has, IS MIND BLOWING.

We can talk all day long about how it is Martz' playbook, how Martz once upon a time wrote up these plays, but the truth of the matter is that Singletary and Hill are the reasons our offense is much better, not Martz.


Martz' has failed horrible in 2008 as our OC.

No he didn't.

Martz MADE the offense the threat we have seen the past couple of weeks. You can't blame Martz for wanting his type of QB behind center. You blame Nolan for not telling Martz his system is a no win strategy. Martz could have very easily said, "**** off" to Singletary but he didn't. Instead, he is molding his persona and who he is as an OC to better fit our personnel.

He isn't a HC. He is a genious at drawing up plays. It took a true HC to set him straight.

He didn't fail as our OC. Nolan failed as a HC.

[PuppetMaster]

Originally Posted by SirMyztiq

No he didn't.

Martz MADE the offense the threat we have seen the past couple of weeks. You can't blame Martz for wanting his type of QB behind center. You blame Nolan for not telling Martz his system is a no win strategy. Martz could have very easily said, "**** off" to Singletary but he didn't. Instead, he is molding his persona and who he is as an OC to better fit our personnel.

He isn't a HC. He is a genious at drawing up plays. It took a true HC to set him straight.

He didn't fail as our OC. Nolan failed as a HC.

Nolans' incompetence does not negate Martz'.

How in the world can Singletary know what personnel is better for Martz' playbook than Martz does? How come Singletary knows better than Martz about what type of offensive gameplans are better to use on Sunday?

[SirMyztiq]

Originally Posted by PuppetMaster

Nolans' incompetence does not negate Martz'.

How in the world can Singletary know what personnel is better for Martz' playbook than Martz does? How come Singletary knows better than Martz about what type of offensive gameplans are better to use on Sunday?

Because Singletary doesn't have a bias towards a certain system. There is an old saying that says "don't marry your cows." We all know what type of OC Martz is. He loves being who he is. Nolan let him have whatever he wanted and Martz took it. He wasn't going to change who he is if he didn't have to. His goal isn't only to win, but to put that staple that it was a Martz type win.

Martz was incompetent for not giving Hill a chance, I'll give you that. However, it wasn't his job to change his strategies. That comes straight from the top. Nolan should have stuck in Hill from game three, ****, I remember you bringing it up from game one. Nolan didn't do that. He let Martz do what he wanted because he was afraid for some reason or the other.

In comes Singletary. He told Martz what to do. He became THE BOSS. Not the other way around. Martz did as told and instead of acting like a jackass like so many predicted, he changed his plans up. He became the OC that HIS BOSS wanted.

So granted, Martz's ego more than likely got in the way. But, I respect him for making the changes necessary and I would welcome him back next year.

BTW: Singletary didn't tell Martz what QB was better for his system. He told Martz to change his system. O'Sullivan WAS the better fit for Martz's system.

[Scottish 9er]

Originally Posted by PuppetMaster

Nolans' incompetence does not negate Martz'.

How in the world can Singletary know what personnel is better for Martz' playbook than Martz does? How come Singletary knows better than Martz about what type of offensive gameplans are better to use on Sunday?

Mods any chance you can merge this thread, the first post is AN EXACT CUT AND PASTE OF A POST MADE IN THE THREAD ABOUT MARTZ NOT BEING ON THE SDSU COACHING LIST ANYMORE?

But in response to Puppet, how do you know it is Singletary that telling Martz how to use his personnel? Now that you've finally accepted that Martz is calling the games differently to the way he did with JTO on there (which is no small miracle considering your stance in other threads on that very topic!) It could just as easily be that Martz has said to Singletary well if you want Hill i'm going to have to call the games this way.

You are not in on meetings and judging by your MANY posts are privelidge to no more information than any of us so my hypothesis is equally as likely as yours.

We get it you dont like Martz but once again did you really need to start YET another thread to pedal your anti Martz agenda, do you not have enough of them on the go already?

[Richard Stabone]

I've always thought the best part of being delusional is that there's always a ready-made excuse for everything.

Niners lose? Martz screwed it up. Niners win? Singletary and Hill made it happen. Hill throws a touchdown on a classic Martz play right out of the GSoT playbook? Singletary made Martz call it. Hill throws an interception? Martz is a pervert.

The fact that they give you access to a computer in whatever institution you're currently confined to IS MIND BLOWING.

[PuppetMaster]

Originally Posted by Scottish 9er

Mods any chance you can merge this thread, the first post is AN EXACT CUT AND PASTE OF A POST MADE IN THE THREAD ABOUT MARTZ NOT BEING ON THE SDSU COACHING LIST ANYMORE?

But in response to Puppet, how do you know it is Singletary that telling Martz how to use his personnel? Now that you've finally accepted that Martz is calling the games differently to the way he did with JTO on there (which is no small miracle considering your stance in other threads on that very topic!) It could just as easily be that Martz has said to Singletary well if you want Hill i'm going to have to call the games this way.

You are not in on meetings and judging by your MANY posts are privelidge to no more information than any of us so my hypothesis is equally as likely as yours.

We get it you dont like Martz but once again did you really need to start YET another thread to pedal your anti Martz agenda, do you not have enough of them on the go already?

I have always said that Martz is using his gameplan and is calling the plays.

The other 90% of your post is nothing but more lies but more power to you.

[PuppetMaster]

Originally Posted by Richard Stabone

I've always thought the best part of being delusional is that there's always a ready-made excuse for everything.

Niners lose? Martz screwed it up. Niners win? Singletary and Hill made it happen. Hill throws a touchdown on a classic Martz play right out of the GSoT playbook? Singletary made Martz call it. Hill throws an interception? Martz is a pervert.

The fact that they give you access to a computer in whatever institution you're currently confined to IS MIND BLOWING.

That works both ways in fact.. When we failed horribly over or first 8 games these folks want to say it was JT and not Martz..

However, the big difference between then and now is that Martz was 100% in charge of the offense and the offensive personnel. That makes anything and everything JT had done on the field Martz' responsibility.

Now it is Singletary who has not only stripped Martz of that authorty, but Singletary changed the personnel and has told Martz to stick within what Singletary wants to do concerning our offensive gameplan for Sundays.. Which has reduced Martz to an obedient underling, and not the person responsible for our recent success.

[Scottish 9er]

Originally Posted by PuppetMaster

I have always said that Martz is using his gameplan and is calling the plays.

The other 90% of your post is nothing but more lies but more power to you.

No you claimed that he was calling the games in exactly the same style as he had with JTO in there and then it was pointed out to you just how much Gore's rushing attempts had gone up drastically despite having been rested the whole fourth quarter of the Rams game and and you had to painfully admit Martz had changed his game plan.

And you really need to go look up the difference between conjecture or speculation and lies, because all i did was give a counter proposal to your speculation or conjecture that Singletary is forcing Martz to do anything. You cannot back up your claim with hard fact so it's just as much conjecture or as speculative as my version.

Or to put it in your terms an equally plausable lie.

[PuppetMaster]

Originally Posted by lifelong9er

Where did he lie?

Now that you've finally accepted that Martz is calling the games differently to the way he did with JTO on there (which is no small miracle considering your stance in other threads on that very topic!)

What I said in the other thread was Martz was still calling plays from his playbook.

I had even wrote than the % of the type of plays called can shuffled around (more of one scheme or type of plays and less of others) for JT and Hill but that they were still all from Martz playbook.

he tread was claiming that Hill was not throwing balls 20+ yards down the field and that Martz was NOT using his playbook. I had argued that Martz was still using his playbook, but he was just using more of it than what he used with JT.

Completely different point, and Scottish knows it.